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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Again it also comes back to the fact that most private school students would have the expectation of going to uni as well.

    And same thing happens with naplan. Students encouraged to stay home if they aren't up to scratch.
    Eeekkkk!!! They are not meant to be!!! (Oh hang on do you just mean in private schools).

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    @happy wanderer
    Thanks for the explanation. With regard to your marks being set against the rest of the class... I can't comment on past processes as it has changed so much over the year, but that's not how it's done currently. A student's mark IS ranked, but it's against all other students in the state. So year on year, the TER may differ slightly for the exact same marks. TER is NOT brought down (or up) by other students within the class or school though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theboys&me View Post
    Eeekkkk!!! They are not meant to be!!! (Oh hang on do you just mean in private schools).
    Public schools as well. There was a segment on a morning radio show that asked on the morning of the first naplan this year if anybody had been asked to stay home, and loads of parents called in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Public schools as well. There was a segment on a morning radio show that asked on the morning of the first naplan this year if anybody had been asked to stay home, and loads of parents called in.
    OMG - my boss would be so cranky at that!! Goes to show how schools get their higher data though.

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    ohhh, all of this is reminding me of the GAT. No idea if they still do it in Vic, but back in the 90s scores on the GAT did somehow influence their study scores for each subject, although I can't remember how.

    Anyhoo, my (private) school insisted that everyone sit the GAT. It was particularly important for the IB students as it worked out the conversion of IB scores to TERs. The better the IB students' scores on the GAT compared to the VCE students, the higher the conversion from IB score to TER. But no one encouraged the VCE students to do badly to boost the IB students or vice versa or anything like that. My (private) school would never ever have sacrificed a student's outcomes for the sake of the school's statistics. I suspect the fact that 98% of students from my year went on to tertiary education was mostly due to the fact that the type of family who would pay $15,000 for one school year would generally expect and/or encourage their child to enrol in tertiary education, but it's a bit chicken and egg really...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarvestMoon View Post
    If you went to a public school and you weren't terribly academic, wouldn't you be more likely to take non-op eligible subjects so you wouldn't sit the QCS and wouldn't have any impact on the scores of those that do?

    I know when I went to school, that is how it typically went. Heaps of students weren't op eligible and didn't sit the QCS.

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    Yep this and all the so called deadbeats wagged the qcs anyway in my year. It wasnt compulsary unless going for an op. Mine was 5 by the way, in my year it was enough to get me into the Bachelor of science course that would have led to medicine if thats what I wanted but I stopped at thst degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I still don't understand.
    You wouldn't if you've never had any experience in the Queensland schooling system.

    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Wouldn't that mean that it depends on how everyone does in the state? If you are all ranked against each other? QLD is very confusing!
    Yes it is very confusing. If you're bored read this.
    http://www.qsa.qld.edu.au/downloads/..._op_basics.pdf

    The fact that they need an 8-page leaflet to explain really sums up how stupid the system is.

    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Are you a Doctor or now? Or in the medical field? Even if you didn't get the score needed, there are other ways to get into medicine.
    No. Yes to health field. Yes there are other ways to get into medicine. However my original point was that simply going to different school, my final OP would have been different. Even my principal admitted this to me.

    This thread was about where did private/public schooling get you, my point was that private schools often have artificially inflated high OP scores due to their ability to prevent low-achieving students from sitting the QCS test. Whether or not you agree with this, it's still something to factor in if you're expecting your child will want to apply for university.

    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I have also never heard of students purposely doing poorly to drag the school average down, why would they do that? What is the point?
    Why do people bully others? Because they're @ssholes and think it's funny that they have the ability to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    How could it be considered an excellent High school if people perform so badly in the HSC on purpose?
    Because of it's extra curricular programs on offer in sporting and cultural pursuits. National champion basketball team, national champion volleyball team, rugby excellence school, debating, oratory, band, orchestra etc etc. International student exchange program. And it offers an alternative curriculum, the International Baccalaureate Diploma.

    Some high schools (mine in particular) like to be able to "brag" about the fact that they've got x% of students op-eligble and x% of students applying for university without actually considering the fact that some of their students shouldn't really be doing that. One of the issues with my school was how heavily university and getting an OP was pushed, when really their should have been more encouragement about looking tafe, apprenticeships, full-time work etc. But that's individual issue with the school, not Queensland system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelle65 View Post
    I suspect the fact that 98% of students from my year went on to tertiary education was mostly due to the fact that the type of family who would pay $15,000 for one school year would generally expect and/or encourage their child to enrol in tertiary education, but it's a bit chicken and egg really...
    A lot of families who can not afford $15,000 per year encourage their children to enrol in tertiary education. All of my friends who have PhDs are all public school educated and pro public schools at that, they are all left wing as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    A lot of families who can not afford $15,000 per year encourage their children to enrol in tertiary education. All of my friends who have PhDs are all public school educated and pro public schools at that, they are all left wing as well.
    Agree, and that was not my point. My point was that when a school has statistics that, for example, 99% of it's students go on to tertiary education, it is not usually because of some sort of conspiracy by the school to "hide" the lower achieving students, as has been suggested in the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post

    Are you a Doctor or now? Or in the medical field? Even if you didn't get the score needed, there are other ways to get into medicine.
    Yes, the number of grad-entry med programs have increased and I wouldn't be surprised if there are more graduate-entry programs than undergraduate medicine courses by the time my kids are thinking about uni.
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