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    I don't think it's heroic either. I don't know much about police chases, but couldn't they have shot at her tyres or something to get her to stop???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassieh View Post
    I don't think it's heroic either. I don't know much about police chases, but couldn't they have shot at her tyres or something to get her to stop???
    Did you watch the video I posted? They were standing at her window with guns pointed at her and she still drove off running over a police officer in the process.

    Also shooting at tyres isn't as easy as it sounds.... plus you run the risk of missing and shooting innocent bystanders etc. You can't just fire off 20 bullets at a speeding car without having a damn good reason for it.

    Real life isn't a movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingchipmunk View Post
    that did make the news.
    Yes that was my example of a recent police shooting in Australia.

    The comment about not everything making the news in Australia was in reference to someone else (can't remember who) saying that nothing like this ever happens in Australia.

    I live in a tourism-driven area and very rarely is crime (murders, rapes, assaults, break ins etc) reported in the news.

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    Wow that's so sad :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR03 View Post
    She was driving towards the officers in her car which can be a pretty deadly weapon. They weren't to know if she was affected by drugs or alcohol and she was endangering her baby and others. Sad story, but I don't think it's fair at all to blame to police.
    I think they should be to blame honestly I mean weather the person was in drugs or drink driving or whatever their notice was death was not deserved! They could have shot out the car tyres then arrested her but to shot her dead and with her child in the car come one that's just messed up! These were not just cops either they where secret service agents I'm sure they have dealt with much worse ppl and not killed them. Because if those cops that baby has ok mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannawannabe View Post
    Yes that was my example of a recent police shooting in Australia.

    The comment about not everything making the news in Australia was in reference to someone else (can't remember who) saying that nothing like this ever happens in Australia.

    I live in a tourism-driven area and very rarely is crime (murders, rapes, assaults, break ins etc) reported in the news.
    It was me who made the comment (there aren't that many posting on this thread) and when I said it doesn't happen in Australia I was referring to people driving at Parliament House in Canberra. Please don't twist my comments. I have been a lawyer for over 20 years. I am well aware that people are murdered in this country. But that's not relevant to what I was saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    It was me who made the comment (there aren't that many posting on this thread) and when I said it doesn't happen in Australia I was referring to people driving at Parliament House in Canberra. Please don't twist my comments. I have been a lawyer for over 20 years. I am well aware that people are murdered in this country. But that's not relevant to what I was saying.
    Oh good. So if you actually watch that video I posted, then you can see that the "security guards" couldn't have dealt with it any differently. Have you actually been to Washington?

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    Further googling.....

    she was was taking anti-psychotics, and believed that Obama had placed her town under lockdown and her house under surveillance. The police didn't know there was a child in the car until afterwards and were shooting to stop the car, not kill (which is the problem with trying to shoot tyres out. You miss.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mara86 View Post
    I think they should be to blame honestly I mean weather the person was in drugs or drink driving or whatever their notice was death was not deserved! They could have shot out the car tyres then arrested her but to shot her dead and with her child in the car come one that's just messed up! These were not just cops either they where secret service agents I'm sure they have dealt with much worse ppl and not killed them. Because if those cops that baby has ok mother.
    They were 'just cops.' Yes there was an agent hit by her at the White House but the chase was held by the Capital police, who are also trying to do their job while not being paid.

    I find it so interesting how when something tragic happens everyone has an opinion how the TRAINED people involved should have reacted, like you as a layperson would have done better.

    How were they to know she did not have a bomb on her or with her?

    I don't think this was 'heroic' but I also don't think we should be talking about them as if they did something wrong. This is a horrible situation for all involved. I doubt these men wanted their day to end with them having to shoot a mother...or anyone.

    ETA: my annoyance isn't just with comments from laymen saying what trained professionals should have, it's also just with comments in any tragic situation of people claiming they wouldn't have done something or would have done better (an example is a thread that was closed a couple days ago regarding a tragedy).
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    Regarding Australia's mental health care. Medicare only rebates you (partially, depending on how much your therapist costs) for 10 visits A YEAR. First you get six and then you go back to your GP and can receive another four if needed. If you haven't used your 10 from the previous referral and calendar year up before Dec. 31st then those visits eat into your new calendar year allotment.

    Example: I became SEVERELY depressed with ante-natal depression last Sept/Oct. Was written up for my six visits, used them up. Received another four in Dec. Used two of them, leaving me with two left on that referral that carried over into the new year which meant I was only allowed another 8 visits this year. I used all 10 by May.

    Because Medicare rebates some mental health costs, my private health only gives $500 a year towards counseling, my therapist is $200 a visit.

    In the US, private health insurance gives MUCH more for mental health. There are also Medicare programs if you qualify (one of my sisters is on it). And other programs for those without insurance (another sister). The problem is how accessible they are and getting people to know what is available to them.

    But now with Obamacare it will all be much easier.

    My point is is that neither country's mental health system is that accessible if you are severely depressed and cannot afford help.
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