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    I never said it did, which is why I can understand the police acted with the means they had at their disposal.

    I'm just saying it's a tragedy because it's entirely possible it could have been prevented if health care and mental illness was a priority, not just seen as a "money drain". And unfortunately it is in the states. I hope they learn from this and can accept that prevention is better than "cure" when the cure is to kill the person suffering from mental illness. I just highly doubt it will be. And thats sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    I'm just saying it's a tragedy because it's entirely possible it could have been prevented if health care and mental illness was a priority, not just seen as a "money drain". And unfortunately it is in the states. I hope they learn from this and can accept that prevention is better than "cure" when the cure is to kill the person suffering from mental illness. I just highly doubt it will be. And thats sad.
    According to the news article, the woman had been hospitalised previously for treatment of her depression.

    She also drove 4.5 hours across 4 different states to get to Washington from her home.

    I still believe that saying that she was killed because she had mental illness is invalid.

    You're also forgetting that only 2 weeks ago, another mentally ill person went on a shooting rampage in Washington killing 13 people only 4km from the White House.
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    Maybe she hoped to make some kind of statement? Draw attention to the problems she was having?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    I never said it did, which is why I can understand the police acted with the means they had at their disposal.

    I'm just saying it's a tragedy because it's entirely possible it could have been prevented if health care and mental illness was a priority, not just seen as a "money drain". And unfortunately it is in the states. I hope they learn from this and can accept that prevention is better than "cure" when the cure is to kill the person suffering from mental illness. I just highly doubt it will be. And thats sad.

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    I see where you are coming from. How many of the mass shootings in the US are due to people who have mental illness and didnt get proper help. It's ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlsRock View Post
    Very sad for everyone involved really.

    As a side issue, my DH and I were in Washington DC in 2003 weeks after the War in Iraq was declared. We were outside the Capitol Building and I put my camera down beside me when we were sitting on the edge of a fountain. We got up and walked away and within seconds there was yelling and I looked up and there were 2 security guards standing on the first floor of the building with automatic rifles pointed at DH and I. We stopped and looked around and one of them pointed to my camera. I ran straight back and got it and put it in my bag and yelled out "I'm sorry. Its just my camera, I'm really sorry" and we hightailed it out of there pretty quickly!
    holy sh1t!!

    well none of it makes sense to me really. i feel bad a woman died and that her baby had to witness it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I see where you are coming from. How many of the mass shootings in the US are due to people who have mental illness and didnt get proper help. It's ridiculous.
    The ironic thing is that the Government has shutdown because the opposition don't want to pass a bill that would allow equal opportunity to healthcare for all americans.

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    If you act dangerously, you need to be prevented from harming others regardless of WHY you're acting that way.

    It's really really lousy that she wasn't better cared for by the US healthcare system, but just because the system failed her does not mean you just let her endanger others. Whether or not she has PND is invalid if she's risking the lives of others, and that's exactly what she was doing.

    She had to be stopped from harming others, and that was what was done.

    It's absurd, IMO, to say that she was shot because of her PND. She wasn't. She was shot because she was endangering others (which yes, may have been the result of her PND). If she simply had PND, but behaved in a way that was not putting the lives of others at risk, then the outcome would not have been as it was.

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    ... Sigh. I think I just give up, to be honest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    I never said it did, which is why I can understand the police acted with the means they had at their disposal.

    I'm just saying it's a tragedy because it's entirely possible it could have been prevented if health care and mental illness was a priority, not just seen as a "money drain". And unfortunately it is in the states. I hope they learn from this and can accept that prevention is better than "cure" when the cure is to kill the person suffering from mental illness. I just highly doubt it will be. And thats sad.

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    Have you been mentally ill in the States? I have. It is our inaccessible public system that is the problem with our healthcare system. My experience with our mental health care system has been really positive, I found people took me much more seriously than here where there is still quite a stigma surrounding depression.

    Considering this woman did have a career, I think it's safe to assume she had insurance and mental health care access. But depression isn't so black and white an issue to jump to conclusions and say she had help or not.

    There is so little out about this woman and what happened, I find all the comments about where everyone from the police to drs went wrong really amazing.
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    I work in an emergency department. Daily we have mentally unwell patients brought in by police- at times they have been injured some even seriously in the act of the police trying to contain the situation. Yes it is sad for these individuals and this mother and baby that their actions whilst mentally unwell lead to them being harmed or killed however if the general public knew how many homicidal and suicidal mentally unwell people were in the community they would be shocked. It's not easy on anyone involved. My thoughts are with the ladies family as well as the poor police/security who will live forever knowing what their job cost them.

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