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    Its very sad. Unfortunately if you are not well off in the USA you are unlikely to receive good treatment for mental health conditions.

    I often think society fails people, and I'm not surprised these things don't happen more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    Its not heroic, no matter the reason. The womans dead, her baby is lucky its not. I understand why the police had to shoot her, but it's still not heroic. Its a tragedy.

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    With everything that's going on in America, the police weren't to know if the car belonged to a terrorist or someone who was really intent on killing others. I can't see how you can't understand why the police had to shoot this lady.

    I feel sorry for the poor bub, so glad bub survived though. I understand where the mother is coming from but feel cranky she put her babies life at risk (yes I know she was mentally ill).

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    Very sad for everyone involved really.

    As a side issue, my DH and I were in Washington DC in 2003 weeks after the War in Iraq was declared. We were outside the Capitol Building and I put my camera down beside me when we were sitting on the edge of a fountain. We got up and walked away and within seconds there was yelling and I looked up and there were 2 security guards standing on the first floor of the building with automatic rifles pointed at DH and I. We stopped and looked around and one of them pointed to my camera. I ran straight back and got it and put it in my bag and yelled out "I'm sorry. Its just my camera, I'm really sorry" and we hightailed it out of there pretty quickly!

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    I think the "acted heroically," comments weren't about them shooting a mother suffering PND... but rather putting themselves in harm's way to protect the public. It did say there were shots fired at them... it's surely heroic to do your job despite the risk to yourself in doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlsRock View Post
    Very sad for everyone involved really.

    As a side issue, my DH and I were in Washington DC in 2003 weeks after the War in Iraq was declared. We were outside the Capitol Building and I put my camera down beside me when we were sitting on the edge of a fountain. We got up and walked away and within seconds there was yelling and I looked up and there were 2 security guards standing on the first floor of the building with automatic rifles pointed at DH and I. We stopped and looked around and one of them pointed to my camera. I ran straight back and got it and put it in my bag and yelled out "I'm sorry. Its just my camera, I'm really sorry" and we hightailed it out of there pretty quickly!
    That would've been scary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    With everything that's going on in America, the police weren't to know if the car belonged to a terrorist or someone who was really intent on killing others. I can't see how you can't understand why the police had to shoot this lady.

    I feel sorry for the poor bub, so glad bub survived though. I understand where the mother is coming from but feel cranky she put her babies life at risk (yes I know she was mentally ill).
    ... Did you actually read the post you quoted? I said I could understand why they did. COULD. There is no not at the end of that word.

    I don't believe it was heroic though. It saddens me it's said to be heroic. It's a tragedy. With the state of the health care system in the US it's quite possible it could have been prevented if mental health were more of a priority, but the fact of the matter is, it isn't. So it's a tragedy. But in a place that values its soldiers and still doesn't recognise PTSD in them beyond empty mouthed words, it also doesn't surprise me.

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    She wasn't shot because she had PND.

    She was shot because for whatever reason (related to her depression or not) she tried to drive onto White House grounds and then injured two federal agents in her attempt to get away from the police. The US Government has just shut down and someone tries to drive into the White House and the US Capitol. Looks a tad suspicious.

    Anyone who has been to the USA, especially Washington DC would know how freaking seriously they take their security especially with buildings like the White House and the US Capitol. Just look at @GirlsRock story. You don't sneeze without permission in those areas.
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    She was shot because she was a security risk. Because she had PND and was not thinking clearly or sensibly. So yes, she was shot due to having PND, though indirectly. Her mental illness was the direct cause of her death. Im fairly certain no one who isnt a terrorist would act in such a way, and its been ruled out as being a terrorist attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    She was shot because she was a security risk.
    And that is the key message. She was a security risk. If they could have stopped her car any other way, then they would have.

    But you don't wait for them to pull over and then ask "excuse me are you a terrorist? No, you have depression? Okay then, carry on".

    There could have been any sort of bombs or explosives in that car. She could have been anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    Because she had PND and was not thinking clearly or sensibly. So yes, she was shot due to having PND, though indirectly. Her mental illness was the direct cause of her death. Im fairly certain no one who isnt a terrorist would act in such a way, and its been ruled out as being a terrorist attack.
    And the tragedy is that unfortunately, that was found out after she was shot.

    But been depressed still not stop her from being a risk to the lives of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    ... Did you actually read the post you quoted? I said I could understand why they did. COULD. There is no not at the end of that word.

    I don't believe it was heroic though. It saddens me it's said to be heroic. It's a tragedy. With the state of the health care system in the US it's quite possible it could have been prevented if mental health were more of a priority, but the fact of the matter is, it isn't. So it's a tragedy. But in a place that values its soldiers and still doesn't recognise PTSD in them beyond empty mouthed words, it also doesn't surprise me.

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