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    Default Breastfeeding and intolerances

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    I have a 16 week old son who has severe reflux which he is medicated for. He was mixed fed but he seems to chuck more and have watery poos when he has a bottle of formula. He also gets a light rash on his chin and around hos mouth.
    I have cut dairy out of my diet after reading some research on reflux being aggravated by cows milk protein in about 40% of reflux babies. My question is how long would it take to see a difference of there was one? The ABA helpline person said 48-72hrs but I have read other things that say 2 weeks. Its been 5 days and im not seeing any difference. But if its not CMPI then I don't understand why he reacts so much worse to formula (and we have tried 4 different formulas so I dont think it makes much difference which one, although on Nan he was awful and the face rash was severe).

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    Are you using a lactose free or soy formula, or just regular?
    If you've cut out dairy from your diet, but are still feeding a regular formula it's kind of moot point..

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    Hi, my dd has intolerance to both cows milk & soy- for a true elimination diet to see if it works I'd recommend at least 2 weeks- I notice a dramatic improvement in her behaviour & sleeping within 10 days. I had ice cream the other day to 'test' her & within 30 minutes after a feed she was horrid & it lasted 3 days! Good luck you may also need to obtains prescription formula if you continue to mix feed.

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    Up to 2 weeks.
    When I stopped dairy things got better after about three days, and then one day of bad relapse and then things were great from day 4 onwards.
    Dairy bothered her from a reflux persepctive, but she also had green mucousy poo which I worked out was from wheat.

    If you stop dairy you should stop soy too.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinky Doo View Post
    Are you using a lactose free or soy formula, or just regular?
    If you've cut out dairy from your diet, but are still feeding a regular formula it's kind of moot point..
    Sorry I should have explained that - sleep deprivation. I have stopped giving formula and am exclusively breast feeding now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giveitago View Post
    Up to 2 weeks.
    When I stopped dairy things got better after about three days, and then one day of bad relapse and then things were great from day 4 onwards.
    Dairy bothered her from a reflux persepctive, but she also had green mucousy poo which I worked out was from wheat.

    If you stop dairy you should stop soy too.



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    I have stopped soy as well. DD is lactose intolerant so I'm familiar with that side of things. Just not with how it comes through breastmilk

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    Is he lactose intolerant? Doesn't breastmilk contain lactose irrespective of the dairy in your diet...I'm not an expert so please excuse me if I have all of that wrong but I'm just guessing that all milk, including breastmilk will contain it's own sugars, ie, lactose.
    In the ABA magazine last month I noticed that there is a dietitian who specializes in intolerances and allergies in babies, children and their Mum's. She may have some really good knowledge/advice. I noticed that she also does email and phone consultations. I've not had any contact with her though...I could go and look for it if you like. I remember when your little man first started having issues Jez...it must feel like it's been forever for you at times

    I really hope you get some answers.

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    Albert it certainly does feel like forever. Its been this way since not long after birth. The GP said it may be lactose intolerance which yeah breastmilk and formula both contain lactose. But I have read that lactose intolerance causes green poos and wind but not vomiting and that cows milk protein allergy causes vomiting. The general consensus from his pediatrician and GP was to introduce solids early and wean from the medication and he should be ok. However that hasnt gone well and weaning from the medication caused relentless screaming and he gets a sour acidic smell to his breath and his vomiting turned back into projectiles. We have a Pedeatrician appt in 3 weeks but I wanted to try eliminating the dairy so I could tell him we have already tried it and if there was any effect. I just didnt want to do it for the 48hrs the aba said and then have the Pedeatrician say oh you have to do it for 2 weeks or something.
    If this doesnt work then I just have to accept that he may have longer term problems with his reflux. We dont make plans in advance now and just take each day as it comes. We have cancelled his naming day which was to be held in our home town as that's where all our friends and family are but it's 800km away and when we did the trip a month ago it was just torturous for eveyone and ended up being a 10hr trip. And we have told everyone apologies in advance but we wont be travelling to any events etc until DS can better cope better. He is a happy little boy most a lot of the time and we are learning more about what works for him (I.e he hates the pram but will happily be carried in the baby carrier for hours).

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    Cow's milk is in all sorts of things that you just don't think about. Lots of packets of chips have milk powder in the flavour coating for instance. So it could be that you've not completely cut dairy out of your diet. If your child is touch sensitive then any rashing and spotting can be caused by simply kissing your baby after having a cup of tea (this was the case with my son). Even some baby soaps and other bathroom products contain milk so you have to spend most of your time in the supermarket with a magnifying glass checking ingredient lists. I also found that despite telling extended family my son was allergic to milk and that was what caused his severe eczema they never really understood it and still fed him all sorts of nonsense.

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    My smaller twin was the same Jez, I went on a total elimination diet for suspected CMPI when I was exclusively bf them - it was at about 16 weeks same as you. No dairy, soy, wheat, eggs, nuts, seafood. This was under the guidance of a paed and my own doctor. It is not for the faint hearted and it left me knackered (bf twins).

    Ibu is right - you need to be completely vigilant about hidden dairy/soy etc - I went back to basics,meat, fruit and vege and rice. Was a crappy hard six weeks. For the dairy to get completely out of YOUR system it can take weeks - but you should notice some change in bun in about 48 - 72 hours. It does take four weeks for it show in some cases.

    If you have intolerances and food allergies yourself you should expect it to take four week because you need to allow YOUR body time to heal as well. Google 'leaky gut'. Breast milk is made from your blood so if u have leaky gut, the proteins can escape into your blood******, which causes the allergic reaction. There are a few good videos online that explain this - I will see if I can find them and post for you.


 

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