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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Any thoughts on why the Greens have come crashing down so badly in Tassie?
    People will vote for an underdog, but not a dead dog.

    The swing against the Greens was 8.1% and against Labor 9.5%.
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    It seems the ALP will retain the SA seat of Elder, which is where the Lib candidate Carolyn Habib complained loudly about a "very offensive" Labor leaflet. The federal Attorney-General, George Brandis, called a press conference to denounce the leaflet as "overtly racist" and a "racist slur".

    Now most independent commentators dismiss these accusations as groundless. But the curious thing is that Brandis is also championing the removal of 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, which deals with "vilification", on the grounds that it impedes freedom of speech.

    It seems Brandis is intent on nailing the sign "Cynical hypocrite" to his forehead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    It seems the ALP will retain the SA seat of Elder, which is where the Lib candidate Carolyn Habib complained loudly about a "very offensive" Labor leaflet. The federal Attorney-General, George Brandis, called a press conference to denounce the leaflet as "overtly racist" and a "racist slur".

    Now most independent commentators dismiss these accusations as groundless. But the curious thing is that Brandis is also championing the removal of 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, which deals with "vilification", on the grounds that it impedes freedom of speech.

    It seems Brandis is intent on nailing the sign "Cynical hypocrite" to his forehead.
    I think calling it 'overtly racist' is probably valid. But.... it Brandis suggesting that they should take Labor to court under the provisions of 18C? No. It is not hypocritical at all. It actually highlights that the legislation is not required. Someone made a comment (in this case a pamphlet), one can then argue as to why it is inappropriate, and society as a whole will judge whether it was or wasn't.

    ETA: Do you deem the pamphlet to be racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I think calling it 'overtly racist' is probably valid.
    Even Cory Bernadi said it wasn't racist, so you're on your own here.

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    It is not hypocritical at all.
    Brandis sees a racial slur where none exists (against a Liberal), but defends the palpable and proven racism of right-wing poster boy Andrew Bolt. And this is not hypocrisy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    Even Cory Bernadi said it wasn't racist, so you're on your own here.



    Brandis sees a racial slur where none exists (against a Liberal), but defends the palpable and proven racism of right-wing poster boy Andrew Bolt. And this is not hypocrisy?
    That is the exact point on why the legislation should be repealed. You don't see racism. Neither does Bernardi. But if Brandis were the judge - he would.
    How would you feel being told by a court that something is racist that you don't think is racist?
    All Habib would have to do would be to say that she was 'offended' or 'humiliated' or 'intimidated'. The onus would be on the Labor party to show that she wasn't. Do you really think that is good legislation???

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    I think there is a comparison (after viewing the pamphlet against Habib), to what went on for Bolt (as outlined in one of the links previously). Where he mentioned that a aboriginal was fair skinned.

    I think that if one - a pamphlet showing a middle eastern surname against a wall with a silhouette (whether the black marks are supposed to depict bullet holes as I've read, I'm dubious), is thinly veiled racism, then I suppose describing someone as fair skinned and blonde haired is racism too.

    But then again they could both not be racist? But isn't whole premise of 18C that it's all about the "likelihood" of offending the person or someone of that race? In which case it does cover a whole multitude of words and images as everything is likely to offend someone somewhere....

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    @Father & @pegasus

    Bolt would never have been convicted if he had not invented "facts" to support his racist contentions. Your interpretation of the legislation is at odds with its actual application by the courts. (Please feel free to cite relevant cases if you think I'm wrong).

    But that's not the issue I was raising, which is the hypocrisy of Brandis, who played the racism card in a cynical and failed attempt to restart the Lib's stalled momentum in SA. Totally inapproriate behavious for the nation's top law officer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    But that's not the issue I was raising, which is the hypocrisy of Brandis, who played the racism card in a cynical and failed attempt to restart the Lib's stalled momentum in SA. Totally inapproriate behavious for the nation's top law officer.
    So one cannot play the 'racism card' if they also oppose 18C? Of course they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    So one cannot play the 'racism card' if they also oppose 18C? Of course they can.
    Since we agree he was not foreshadowing prosecution under 18C (which would in any case be non-viable), he had no business commenting on this at all, since the pamphlet content falls under the jurisdiction of the state Electoral Act. Nothing to do with the federal AG.

    One should note in that regard that no one is alleging the content of the leaflet was either false or misleading.


 

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