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    My ancestors migrated legally with appropriate paperwork.
    When did they migrate?

    I'm currently doing family tree work, and every family group I've come across (not just mine) has some anomalies in their paperwork of one kind or another. For you to be 100% assured that your family mayn't have made some error or bent some truth would be nothing short of amazing. Many records, until recently, relied on memory and, as we all know, human memory isn't always reliable and truthful.

    As for the original theme of the thread - the number of lies, half truths and broken promises made by the current government is astounding and shameful.

    The inconsistencies and lies that Mr Abbott has already spun is atrocious and I will be marching in March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingClassMum View Post
    The inconsistencies and lies that Mr Abbott has already spun is atrocious and I will be marching in March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    How do you know that? Do you have evidence? Do you have their documents? It's hearsay unless you have physical proof in your hands!
    I do not need it my hands. It is in their hands. Clearly not hearsay. Would you like a scanned copy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingClassMum View Post
    I'm currently doing family tree work, and every family group I've come across (not just mine) has some anomalies in their paperwork of one kind or another. For you to be 100% assured that your family mayn't have made some error or bent some truth would be nothing short of amazing.
    Are you saying my family are liars? Why would they bend the truth? There was no need as they could migrate here through the legitimate channels without needing to lie.

    I do not see my family history as very relevant as to what Australia should do with those who arrive above the cap. I'm glad Beebs agrees that detention in those circumstances is legitimate.

    Unfortunately for those who would arrive above the cap, they would most likely have to remain in detention for some time depending on the number of subsequent arrivals. The more who arrive, the longer they would remain in detention as the centres filled up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I am not asking what the cap should be. I am asking: what happens to those who arrive after the cap is reached?
    What happens to them now? There's no easy answer. Our resources are finite, I suppose. It actually breaks my heart to think of all the people who will not be helped- those in camps, those on boats, those stuck in countries where they are being persecuted.
    I'm one person. We don't have a lot of personal wealth, so I give where I can, but I know it will never be enough.I'd love to see some more of the hugely wealthy share their vast fortunes to help. I know many do- but MANY do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Are you saying my family are liars? Why would they bend the truth? There was no need as they could migrate here through the legitimate channels without needing to lie..
    No, I said every family group I came across has some anomalies in their paperwork - and I would be amazed if your family also did not have some anomaly - and my comment was in direct reply to yours - see it how you may but please don't bother twisting my words.

    As for caps and quoto's I am utterly amazed that virtually every other developed country can accept far higher numbers by sheer numbers, as compared to GDP, as compared to land mass, as compared per head of population than Australia can - and I am ashamed of our hard nosed treatment of Aslyum seekers. For example there has been 2.5 million people leave Syria. Turkey example, has taken in some 400,000plus of those - there are 1500plus or so people crossing Turkey's border every day and Turkey seems to somehow be supporting and processing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    What happens to them now? There's no easy answer. Our resources are finite, I suppose. It actually breaks my heart to think of all the people who will not be helped- those in camps, those on boats, those stuck in countries where they are being persecuted.
    I'm one person. We don't have a lot of personal wealth, so I give where I can, but I know it will never be enough.I'd love to see some more of the hugely wealthy share their vast fortunes to help. I know many do- but MANY do not.
    A prime driver of irregular migration flows is the mind-boggling inequalities that exist between nations. Consider that per capital GNI (gross national income) in Australia is about $60,000, while in Afghanistan it is $700. No amount of charitable giving is going to bridge that kind of gap.

    Combine this poverty with civil conflicts, which across northern Africa and the Middle East are largely driven by meaningless religious/tribal differences, and you get levels of suffering and dislocation unprecedented in human history (at least in terms of absolute numbers).

    This is the context in which we have an essentially bipartisan policy to stop people-smuggling by pretty much any means necessary. The brutality such policies visits upon the victims deeply discomforts most people of good will, but that unease is likely to recede fairly quickly if the boats do, in fact, stop.

    This situation is hardly unique to Australia. The US Coast Guard has been turning back boats for decades; the EU is spending vast sums of money fortifying the Greek and Bulgarian borders with Turkey; boat people are dying in their hundreds attempting to cross the Mediterranean.

    There is indeed no "easy solution", but we can at least press for the Abbott govt to reverse its decision to cut back its humanitarian quota, which should be used to help those most in need.

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    Jeez, your ancestors must be very, very old. You know, considering that ancestors means a a relative that you are descended from that is more remote than grandparents

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I do not need it my hands. It is in their hands. Clearly not hearsay. Would you like a scanned copy?


 

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