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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    You come across as a fairly smart man, I find it utterly inconceivable that you are trying to make excuses for Abbott's and others treatment of Gillard. I don't even like Gillard, and even I can see that she was targeted because she was a woman. Maybe it is just one of those things you will never get, because you aren't one.
    She was targeted because she was incompetent, not because she was a woman.

    Did Margaret Thatcher get the same treatment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Was that because she was a woman? Or because the government was incompetent?
    No matter what anybody thought of the government at the time, the comment was in poor taste and I doubt it was an accident that he used that phrase. Appalling.

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    What percentage of legislation had bipartisan support when the last government were in office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    What percentage of legislation had bipartisan support when the last government were in office?
    I don't know. What was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    No matter what anybody thought of the government at the time, the comment was in poor taste and I doubt it was an accident that he used that phrase. Appalling.
    I think you are a little sensitive if you are dwelling on the use of such expressions.
    Conroy's attack on Campbell was also in poor taste. It happens.

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    You can respond to people about their perceived incompetency without the need to include gender in your arguments- well, some people can - Abbott and a lot of men in both politics and the media obviously can't.

    How you can try and pretend that Abbott is not a Misogynist after all of the things he has said over the years is beyond me. I know you like him, but at least try and be honest about him.


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    She was targeted because she was incompetent, not because she was a woman.

    Did Margaret Thatcher get the same treatment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Was that because she was a woman? Or because the government was incompetent?
    No... That was because she'd lost her father and already endured the "died of shame" comment from Jones- which Abbott condemned...then referenced the same comment. A petty personal attack. Whatever the rationale behind it, it was a cheap shot. Not something that surprised many people though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I think you are a little sensitive if you are dwelling on the use of such expressions.
    Conroy's attack on Campbell was also in poor taste. It happens.
    Hear that ladies? It happens, stop being sensitive :rollseyes:

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    Er - for someone who prides himself on always being right and knowing so much, you are missing the mark a bit in this thread. Of course Margaret Thatcher got similar treatment - ALL women in positions of power do...always - here are some;

    She was asked - "Did I realise how much being an MP would keep me away from home?" Thatcher wrote in her autobiography, recalling some of the questions she faced. "Could I fulfil my duties as a mother and an MP?" - M. Thatcher

    "Do you dress as a leader, as a woman, for yourself or for your husband?" —Barry St John Nevill, reporter with the Hornsey Journal.

    "My God! The ***** has won!" —the vice-chairman of the Conservative Party, upon Thatcher becoming the party's leader.

    "Ditch the *****." —A popular Labour party slogan.

    "Shrill and hectoring." —Peter Mandelson, the Labour Party's Communications
    Director, on Thatcher's "first ever televised performance in the Commons."

    "In her presence, you pretty quickly forget that she's a woman. She doesn't strike me as a very female type." —Zbigniew Brzezinski.

    "The Iron Man." —Yasser Arafat's nickname for Thatcher.

    "Attila the Hen." —Nickname for Thatcher by member of Parliament Clement Freud.

    "It's been a touching spectacle: the brave little woman getting on with the woman's work of trying to dominate the world." —Austin Mitchell, member of Parliament

    "She has the eyes of Caligula but the mouth of Marilyn Monroe." —French president Francois Mitterand.

    "What does she want, this housewife? My balls on a tray?" —French president Jacques Chirac.


    Also, you are someone trying to infer that she didn't get that kind of treatment because she was not incompetent (all though she clearly did get that treatment). Have you ever actually spoken to anyone from the UK/Ireland - like ever? Done any reading? Seen the lasting (ludicrously bad) legacy that she has left behind? Been to the UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    She was targeted because she was incompetent, not because she was a woman.

    Did Margaret Thatcher get the same treatment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I don't know. What was it?
    I'm sure you do know but it was almost 90%


 

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