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    People have died after being refused visas from here, only to be sent back and murdered in their home country, just as they predicted. That is well documented, so It wouldn't surprised me in the slightest if people die after being towed back. After all, most of the reasons people try and get here on boats is because they are fleeing some type of persecution.

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    In some ways I can see the operational benefit of the secrecy surrounding the policy. On the other hand it's dangerous... If the public don't feel like they have enough information to know whether there are negative effects then people's minds will wander and they will lose confidence in the Government.

    Bottom line I don't think people have died on the return sea voyage but who knows. I don't like the secrecy.

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    In fact, the last time unemployment was this high - Abbott was Minster for Employment. A coincidence? I think not!

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    So, they were going to create 1,000,000 jobs? LOL

    Australia's unemployment rate has jumped to 6 per cent for the first time in more than a decade.


    The Bureau of Statistics estimates that 3,700 jobs were lost in January, pushing the unemployment rate from 5.8 up to 6 per cent.

    https://www.lnp.org.au/campaign/jobs/

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    But sending back families that statistically are genuine to make an example of them just doesn't sit well with me.
    Agreed, it's brutal. But if it works then public policy and an orderly humanitarian program benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    Agreed, it's brutal. But if it works then public policy and an orderly humanitarian program benefit.
    The problem with only relying on humanitarian efforts (and btw in a perfect world this is the best solution - to treat the cause) is we are one country. We simply don't have to money to solve say Syria's problems which as so ingrained and systemic. And which will take years. I'm not saying we shouldn't try, not at all, but I believe we should take genuine refugees as well as working with other countries to address the systemic issues.

    We are sinking millions into pre marital counselling and funding mining companies to fight lands claims. Yet our most vulnerable are going without and we are turning away families that are desperate for a decent life. Families that can and do contribute to our tax revenue and become good citizens. I just think this govt has their priorities s*rewed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    The problem with only relying on humanitarian efforts (and btw in a perfect world this is the best solution - to treat the cause) is we are one country. We simply don't have to money to solve say Syria's problems which as so ingrained and systemic. And which will take years. I'm not saying we shouldn't try, not at all, but I believe we should take genuine refugees as well as working with other countries to address the systemic issues.

    We are sinking millions into pre marital counselling and funding mining companies to fight lands claims. Yet our most vulnerable are going without and we are turning away families that are desperate for a decent life. Families that can and do contribute to our tax revenue and become good citizens. I just think this govt has their priorities s*rewed up.
    I agree with you 100%. The point of difference is simply that not taking the necessary steps to stop irregular immigration hinders rather than helps our efforts.

    It would appear in any case that the current policy settings are working in relation to "boat people", so let's work towards pressuring the govt to increase both its humanitarian intake and foreign aid budget.

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    Because we aren't in Government so we don't have access to everything you would need to know to put a number on it. Really quite simple I would've thought?

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Why is it that no one on here can provide a number of acceptable refugees per year?
    Is 1,000,000 refugees a year acceptable?
    Why is it so hard to put a number on it. If you were in government, you would have to budget and allocate funds appropriate to your refugee policy. How many would you budget for? At what point would you have to reconsider your 'open border' policy? Why is that such a hard question for you all to answer? Not one of you has done it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    I agree with you 100%. The point of difference is simply that not taking the necessary steps to stop irregular immigration hinders rather than helps our efforts.
    Yep I get what you are saying and somewhat agree. The problem is that both the ALP and LP over the space of 10+ years have cracked down significantly on this irregular migration. The ALP may have not sent them back but put them in detention centres offshore. Yet they still keep coming. I don't believe for a moment the boats are stopping, they are just being intercepted and sent back. Which really further strengthens the idea most of these people are genuine. I also believe the LP aren't being honest about figures, thus why there is a media blackout.

    Honestly, I don't have all the answers. I just despise this xenophobic stance that Abbott has, wrapped up in the lie it's about saving lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    ... I don't believe for a moment the boats are stopping, they are just being intercepted and sent back ...
    I put some credence in the independent reporting by Fairfax, ABC and others that the population of asylum seekers in Indonesia has significantly declined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    I put some credence in the independent reporting by Fairfax, ABC and others that the population of asylum seekers in Indonesia has significantly declined.
    But if the current govt aren't sharing those figures then the reporting by media isn't reliable.

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    Delirium, I know you are a very clever person, therefore you would understand, in retrospect
    that:
    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    But if the current govt aren't sharing those figures...
    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    ... then the reporting by media isn't reliable.
    is logically incoherent.


 

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