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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadHatter View Post
    I shudder to think about what the death rate would be among those sent back to the countries they were fleeing from.
    Heads up. They are not fleeing Indonesia.

    Those that we send back to their home country have been found not to be refugees. That is more than understandable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Again, let's not pretend that this is the reason the government came up with this policy. Stopping drownings would've been the last thing on their agenda.
    If that makes you feel better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    There are still refugees yes. But the boats in our region will have stopped, which will save lives. Refugees can flew from their home countries to relative safety without jumping on a boat. So yes, it is a life-saving policy.
    Yeah? What about those that now will not leave the areas they are in and will die as a result? What about those that end up in countries not signatory to the refugee convention and suffer there? What about those who get turned back and have their boats sink elsewhere? What about those that cannot leave their countries due to political persecution- they cannot physically get on a plane at the airport because they will be arrested and possibly executed for something as simple as their religion or political views? You can't honestly think this policy is actually helping these people, surely. All it does is stop the coming *here*- it doesn't address any of the problems causing people to flee in the first place, it doesn't offer refugees any protection or safety from what they are fleeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    The number should be increased, back to 20k.
    So if we had 25k arrive by boat, you would send the 5000 back?

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    Having money doesn't make you less persecuted.
    Maybe not. But it does give you options to fly to any country in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Heads up. They are not fleeing Indonesia.

    Those that we send back to their home country have been found not to be refugees. That is more than understandable.
    We send entire boatloads back without knowing if they are genuine refugees or not. I believe the overwhelming majority have been found to be genuine refugees. Do you honestly think Indonesia is going to look after these people? We are so, so lucky to have been born here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    So if we had 25k arrive by boat, you would send the 5000 back?



    Maybe not. But it does give you options to fly to any country in the world.
    Perhaps they don't have passports? Isn't that what Ray Hadley and all those shock jocks love to tell us?

    Let's not forget that 90% of asylum seekers who arrive by boat are genuine compared to 40% of plane arrivals.

    Have you seen how the people smugglers lure them from their country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Historically, it has been around 13500 each year, the majority of which were from UNHCR camp. I'm happy with that. I would just like those that we take to be the ones in most need, ie. those that have been waiting a substantial period of time in a refugee camp without any money, rather than those with tens of thousands who use the services of people smugglers.
    Ah yes, the non-existent "queue"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Yeah? What about those that now will not leave the areas they are in and will die as a result? What about those that end up in countries not signatory to the refugee convention and suffer there? What about those who get turned back and have their boats sink elsewhere? What about those that cannot leave their countries due to political persecution- they cannot physically get on a plane at the airport because they will be arrested and possibly executed for something as simple as their religion or political views? You can't honestly think this policy is actually helping these people, surely. All it does is stop the coming *here*- it doesn't address any of the problems causing people to flee in the first place, it doesn't offer refugees any protection or safety from what they are fleeing.
    1. They can still flee to any country. Just like they have been. They are not arriving in Australia direct.
    2. Why would they suffer there? If they had money to buy a boat trip, they should be able to set up a decent start in whatever country they choose. Or they can find a nearby country that is a signatory.
    3. Where would they be then traveling by boat? They flew into SE Asia.
    4. These people would not be jumping on a boat direct from their country to Australia. Give me an example.

    We cannot fix the world. We can only offer so many places. We can, however, choose those who we deem to be most in need of our protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Ah yes, the non-existent "queue"
    Yes! All those about to be killed please make an orderly line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Perhaps they don't have passports? Isn't that what Ray Hadley and all those shock jocks love to tell us?

    Let's not forget that 90% of asylum seekers who arrive by boat are genuine compared to 40% of plane arrivals.

    Have you seen how the people smugglers lure them from their country?
    Exactly. What if you are being persecuted by the government and they revoke your passport? It's all very wellto say 'get on a plane' but no airline will let you board without valid documents.


 

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