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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    1. What is the definition of 'extreme bushfire weather' and what is the source of that data?

    2. What defines the 'fire season'. Do the Greens support fuel reduction?

    3. In the future, it might be colder.

    Why are they only talking about SE Australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Attachment 43913

    Hottest October day on record predicted
    A failed prediction.

    But here is a reality that actually happened.

    Canberra winemakers were reeling from the heavy frost overnight on Thursday, Canberra’s coldest October morning on record, which wiped millions of dollars from the industry.

    Why didn't you link to that record BigRedV?

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    Oh yes, we can't have a hot day that makes a record if another day has frost. That isn't how the weather works at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    1. What is the definition of 'extreme bushfire weather' and what is the source of that data?

    2. What defines the 'fire season'. Do the Greens support fuel reduction?

    3. In the future, it might be colder.

    Why are they only talking about SE Australia?
    To answer one of your questions- http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/bushfires
    An excerpt:
    "The Greens believe that living with bushfire threat requires a coordinated approach that includes:
    • planning of housing sites to avoid development in risk prone areas;
    • strategically planned hazard reduction, including controlled burning, where and when climatic conditions allow it to be done safely and where it is consistent with maintaining the ecosystem;
    • education and community awareness programs to reduce the incidence of arson; and
    • a well funded and managed fire fighting service which can protect human life and homes and contain the spread of fires.
    While recognising that controlled burning is only one form of bush fire risk reduction, The Greens have not been responsible for restricting its use. We are committed to an effective and scientifically based approach to hazard reduction, which takes into account the needs of both the human and natural environments."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    To answer one of your questions- http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/bushfires
    An excerpt:
    "The Greens believe that living with bushfire threat requires a coordinated approach that includes:
    • planning of housing sites to avoid development in risk prone areas;
    • strategically planned hazard reduction, including controlled burning, where and when climatic conditions allow it to be done safely and where it is consistent with maintaining the ecosystem;
    • education and community awareness programs to reduce the incidence of arson; and
    • a well funded and managed fire fighting service which can protect human life and homes and contain the spread of fires.
    While recognising that controlled burning is only one form of bush fire risk reduction, The Greens have not been responsible for restricting its use. We are committed to an effective and scientifically based approach to hazard reduction, which takes into account the needs of both the human and natural environments."
    The full policy is on that website. I don't think that second dot point is consistent with their full policy. The Vic Greens policy is here too:
    http://vic.greens.org.au/sites/vic.g...y rev3-w_0.pdf

    Whilst it is convenient for the Greens to say that they support fuel reduction policy, their actual response to such methods suggests otherwise.
    An example from Tasmania:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226741273992

    The Greens say they want it 'evidence based', but then when they are confronted with such evidence they refuse to accept it and want more information. This process goes around and around and nothing ever happens. Then lo and behold - a bushfire.

    Until I see Adam Bandt out there with the CFA conducting controlled burns, I will not believe that the Greens in any way support such an important bushfire prevention technique.

    In accordance with standard BigRedV posting:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    The full policy is on that website. I don't think that second dot point is consistent with their full policy. The Vic Greens policy is here too:
    http://vic.greens.org.au/sites/vic.g...y rev3-w_0.pdf

    Whilst it is convenient for the Greens to say that they support fuel reduction policy, their actual response to such methods suggests otherwise.
    An example from Tasmania:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226741273992

    The Greens say they want it 'evidence based', but then when they are confronted with such evidence they refuse to accept it and want more information. This process goes around and around and nothing ever happens. Then lo and behold - a bushfire.

    Until I see Adam Bandt out there with the CFA conducting controlled burns, I will not believe that the Greens in any way support such an important bushfire prevention technique.

    In accordance with standard BigRedV posting:

    Bit like you, really. You ask for evidence, are confronted with it you refuse to accept it and want more. You wanted to know if the greens support fuel reduction. I said they did, posted the link to the relevant policy and a quote from the section that I thought would clarify it most for you.
    Your response? Refused to accept, want more and throws in a ridiculous demand while you're at it. Pot, meet kettle.
    If the only way you will "believe" the greens is for Bandt to backburn bush land personally you're obviously setting yourself up for disappointment F. Do you volunteer fire fight, yourself?

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    Pffttt. They aren't even in power - "so low and behold, bushfires" doesn't even come into it. It's YOUR people who are in power now in NSW, and we are going through hell right now. So Libs policy - big fail.

    And anyone can do a fake old publicity shot fighting bush fires, but did you also see the amount of cuts the libs have made to those affected by the actual bush fires? Until I see a reversal of that, I don't care how many pumped up pictures the PM has of himself prancing around pretending to fight bush fires because he "cares". I won't believe it.

    Father, the last decade was the hottest on record, the last 12 months the hottest 12 months in Australia's record. What twisted piece of evidence by non scientists do you have to refute that?


    QUOTE=Father;7505538]The full policy is on that website. I don't think that second dot point is consistent with their full policy. The Vic Greens policy is here too:
    http://vic.greens.org.au/sites/vic.g...y rev3-w_0.pdf

    Whilst it is convenient for the Greens to say that they support fuel reduction policy, their actual response to such methods suggests otherwise.
    An example from Tasmania:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226741273992

    The Greens say they want it 'evidence based', but then when they are confronted with such evidence they refuse to accept it and want more information. This process goes around and around and nothing ever happens. Then lo and behold - a bushfire.

    Until I see Adam Bandt out there with the CFA conducting controlled burns, I will not believe that the Greens in any way support such an important bushfire prevention technique.

    In accordance with standard BigRedV posting:

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    Pot meet kettle indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Bit like you, really. You ask for evidence, are confronted with it you refuse to accept it and want more. You wanted to know if the greens support fuel reduction. I said they did, posted the link to the relevant policy and a quote from the section that I thought would clarify it most for you.
    Your response? Refused to accept, want more and throws in a ridiculous demand while you're at it. Pot, meet kettle.
    If the only way you will "believe" the greens is for Bandt to backburn bush land personally you're obviously setting yourself up for disappointment F. Do you volunteer fire fight, yourself?

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