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    Quote Originally Posted by sockstealingpoltergeist View Post
    Hilarious. I personally was not happy when the current government was elected because I care about all of those hings.

    We now have a government in power that cares about making the rich richer, is funded by the wealthiest greediest people who care boing about poor and starving people, nor hospital funding. So please get real.

    Most people who care about climate change care about people. They are not your usual conservative voters, and if you truly cared about those things I suspect your posts would come across a lot differently.

    I think you need to do some reflictive thinking. Maybe reasses your values and what is truly important in life.
    Climate change is supposed to be about science, not politics. The fact that you have posted the above comment shows that you agree. It has become more of a ideologically based religion.

    If you are concerned about the poor and starving people, and the hospitals, how would you feel about re-directing all of the 'climate change' money directly to those causes? I think that is a great idea.

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    @headoverfeet, I'm just going to repost this article as there is a little blurb that explains what we are doing and that this isn't cyclic.

    http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013928102534465140

    'The science around climate change is well established. More than 100 years ago, researchers demonstrated that carbon dioxide (CO2) traps heat from the sun. Burning fossil fuels, deforestation and other human activities put additional CO2 into the atmosphere, where it remains essentially forever. That additional CO2 is trapping additional heat, as it acts like another layer of insulation.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    Headoverfeet, I'm just going to repost this article as there is a little blurb that explains what we are doing and that this isn't cyclic.

    http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013928102534465140

    'The science around climate change is well established. More than 100 years ago, researchers demonstrated that carbon dioxide (CO2) traps heat from the sun. Burning fossil fuels, deforestation and other human activities put additional CO2 into the atmosphere, where it remains essentially forever. That additional CO2 is trapping additional heat, as it acts like another layer of insulation.'
    This is not disputed. The size of the effect is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JungleMum View Post

    However, climate change is a much broader issue. Interestingly, there is very little to gain economically from believing in climate change (other than R&D, new technologies etc) & much to lose economically. Hence the basis to much of the scepticism perpetuated has been to protect the economy. We need an ever increasing amount of oil, we need continuously developing industry & we need these two things to be increasingly efficient. Restricting industry is costly in so many ways.
    Sorry to bring in another point, but where is the evidence that a carbon tax will cause economic harm? You'll find that economic modelling cannot accurately predict the future but, despite this, models predict a slight slowing of economic growth in the short term, not negative growth. Innovation & R&D are key drivers of economic growth, so a tax that provides an incentive to businesses to find smarter ways of doing things (rather than just making things bigger & more energy hungry) will have a positive long term economic effect.

    Arguing about whether the temperature has changed "significantly" over a period of time is pointless. Personally, I believe you need to consider all aspects of climate change (i.e. an Earth Energy Balance), but it's even pointless to argue this point if the basis for your argument is that it will damage the economy to do something about CO2 emissions.

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    Oh look, deflecting real discussion by posting questions after question, even when you know the answer. You are not very good at debating Father. You try and overload with (false) information, answer questions with questions all in the hope that no one will actually notice how flawed your arguments are. It isn't working.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Which comment was it refuting? That it doesn't cause 'extreme weather' events? Then you post a quote about more hot days, less cold days, and heat waves. Never mind all those 'extreme' weather events. Droughts, cyclones, hurricanes, floods, hail and thunderstorms.





    What are we causing to happen with more intensity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    So those climate scientists who do not agree with the 'consensus' are evil and wicked? Maybe we should put them in jail to silence them. David Suzuki seemed to think that idea was valid.
    I didn't hear him say that. I do think that most scientist that I have come across who do not agree with the 'consensus' as you put it, all have agendas. Like H. Leighton Steward, Geologist and founder of the group "CO2 is good". Calls himself an environmentalist but believes CO2 doesn't cause global warming - in fact believes we don't emit enough and that we need more to keep the planet green. And what is that you say? A director at Enron Oil and Gas Company

    Yeah, no agenda there (cough, cough)

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    You yourself are jumping up and down with glee shouting about how they go the figure wrong. What if they are wrong about 1%? What if it causes more damage than they think? Entirely possible as we all know, because at this point the globe hasn't warmed 1% yet and until it does, we won't know what the effects are.


    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    This is not disputed. The size of the effect is.

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    You continually refute the science based on strange articles written by non scientist and then you try and say that it is us that aren't acknowledging the science? Pot calling kettle. Although, as I said before, at least we have science to back us up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Climate change is supposed to be about science, not politics. The fact that you have posted the above comment shows that you agree. It has become more of a ideologically based religion.

    If you are concerned about the poor and starving people, and the hospitals, how would you feel about re-directing all of the 'climate change' money directly to those causes? I think that is a great idea.

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    PS (to my post above)... since we all like to cherry-pick articles that support our point of view...

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-0...on-tax/4846060

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    Climate change is about science and politics. The science to figure out what is happening and what we need to do about it and politics to help implement policies across the world.

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