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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Just in case anyone else has Father blocked, this is the prediction from the IPCC report based on regions. No, it doesn't look bad at all.....not
    http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_.../en/spms3.html
    You do realise that was from the 2007 report right? Not the one that was just released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    You do realise that was from the 2007 report right? Not the one that was just released.
    Sorry, totally exhausted, just spent 18 hours in the library over the last two days.

    So I went back and just had a quick look at the new report. Am I missing something? It isn't sunshine and lollipops and still looks scary and still says the planet is warming and we are causing it and it is going to create massive problems.

    The way you are going on about it I expect a complete retraction.

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    Because it means you might actually have to do stuff, like pay extra for wind turbine power or solar energy. Much better to deny it is happening in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by sockstealingpoltergeist View Post
    Silly Beebs, Father knows best.

    Father even if by some tiny chance you were right. What would be the harm in putting in place things to help protect the planet?

    I will never understand why caring for the planet, is a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    So I went back and just had a quick look at the new report. Am I missing something? It isn't sunshine and lollipops and still looks scary and still says the planet is warming and we are causing it and it is going to create massive problems..
    Yes. But it also says it can't explain the lack of warming, nor the reason(s) behind the discrepancies between the lack of warming and the models.

    The science clearly is not settled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Because it means you might actually have to do stuff, like pay extra for wind turbine power or solar energy. Much better to deny it is happening in the first place.
    I have never denied that the world has been warming. We have since 1700.
    Please tell me what it is that I am 'denying'.

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    When is science ever settled? When is it ever 100% ever?

    You deny you are a denier? You don't think that we should curb our emissions, you don't think we should trade emissions, you don't believe in the carbon tax. You try (badly) to shoot down every piece of evidence that shows we are the cause, and that it most likely will turn out very badly. Erm, yeah, you totally seem like you believe that humans are causing climate change and we need to do something about it. Haha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Yes. But it also says it can't explain the lack of warming, nor the reason(s) behind the discrepancies between the lack of warming and the models.

    The science clearly is not settled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    When is science ever settled? When is it ever 100% ever?

    You deny you are a denier? You don't think that we should curb our emissions, you don't think we should trade emissions, you don't believe in the carbon tax. You try (badly) to shoot down every piece of evidence that shows we are the cause, and that it most likely will turn out very badly. Erm, yeah, you totally seem like you believe that humans are causing climate change and we need to do something about it. Haha.
    So you don't think the science is settled?
    Humans are contributing to climate change. I don't deny that.
    It is a question as to how much that effect is. That question is not settled. Or do you think that it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Because it means you might actually have to do stuff, like pay extra for wind turbine power or solar energy. Much better to deny it is happening in the first place.
    See this is why I don't like the climate tax, or the rules regarding energy from renewable sources. It's easy for some to say just pay more, a lot of people are suffering because of this mentality (pensioners who can't afford three meals a day, or to turn the heater on in winter). Our electric bills tripled (in summer it gets to around $1500), obviously our pay stayed the same. Some weeks we put almost as much on the power as we do on rent. As a low income family that stings quite a bit (but at least we're still able to get by).

    I think a better approach would be to organize schemes and grants to invent energy efficient technology, and to help businesses upgrade to better equipment. Manufacturing in this country is taking a dive because its so much cheaper to make things in Overseas (I'm thinking about Bonds for one), making it more expensive is just illogical. It's costing jobs and tax revenue.
    At a personal level, we are currently renovating our home, we plan to install water tanks, a grey water system, solar panels and put in a small garden (we already have chickens). We'd love to be as self sufficient as possible and I feel it's a good way to help the environment.

    I am very concerned with the environment, and I think we should all do our bit, (recycle, support businesses that use efficient processes, put up panels, the list goes on ), but I also don't want to see people suffering.




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