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    Personally I couldn't care less if TA only has Julie Bishop in his Cabinet, as long as the most qualified people are doing the job.
    I'm sure most of the male ministers have wives, mothers, daughters and sisters and will do a fair job of representing all Australians. They aren't going to govern with their d!cks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spotdog View Post
    Personally I couldn't care less if TA only has Julie Bishop in his Cabinet, as long as the most qualified people are doing the job.
    But why is it only the men that are the most qualified? Something is wrong with the system if out of a pool of people you need to pick the 19 most qualified and 18 of them happen to be male. It's just indicative of the gender inequalities that exist in Australia.

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    Fiona Scott would be great
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    With the *Exact* same qualifications, experience and performance? Unless someone is on a selection panel/interviewing team how do you know all the experiences, qualifications and performances are exactly the same?
    - genuine question not being smart alecky.

    Nobody has the exact same experiences and performance, but that doesn't mean that a person's contribution is not the same value as anothers, even though it may be different.

    I'm sorry you don't want to hear it, but it does happen. I am not saying it happens every time, but it happens enough for it to be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Nobody has the exact same experiences and performance, but that doesn't mean that a person's contribution is not the same value as anothers, even though it may be different.

    I'm sorry you don't want to hear it, but it does happen. I am not saying it happens every time, but it happens enough for it to be an issue.
    Oh if it's happening I want to hear it. I am just so surprised as I have never ever come accross a case where people with the same qualifications/quality of work are paid differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Oh if it's happening I want to hear it. I am just so surprised as I have never ever come accross a case where people with the same qualifications/quality of work are paid differently.
    But you don't work in a job where you would be privy to info about large volumes of salary, performance grades, etc so how would you come across it? The gender pay gap is widely reported. Its fact.

    Its not just about less money for the same roles - its about less opportunities being offered, or women not going for opportunities as its too hard for them to juggle home and work. But these are much harder to address!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Its not just about less money for the same roles - its about less opportunities being offered, or women not going for opportunities as its too hard for them to juggle home and work. But these are much harder to address!
    If the inequality is because a woman hasn't gone for an opportunity because of work/home pressures then I don't count that as discrimination. That's just a natural outcome of women not applying for something. If a woman wants equal opportunity then she needs to factor that in with her decision making when choosing a partner/choosing to have X number of kids at Y point in her life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Oh if it's happening I want to hear it. I am just so surprised as I have never ever come accross a case where people with the same qualifications/quality of work are paid differently.
    Why is it just bec you personally haven't experienced it it doesn't exist. I haven't experienced racism, but it exists. Sorry it's a specious argument.

    I lived it every day in the later years of my working life as a lawyer. Yes I took time away to have my kids but I was still considered one of the best and most highly skilled lawyers in what I did. Yet I got paid less then the males doing the same job (less competently - as I often had to come in and fix their work).

    And we all knew because we openly shared what we got paid. It was supposed to be some big secret, but we told each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    If the inequality is because a woman hasn't gone for an opportunity because of work/home pressures then I don't count that as discrimination. That's just a natural outcome of women not applying for something. If a woman wants equal opportunity then she needs to factor that in with her decision making when choosing a partner/choosing to have X number of kids at Y point in her life.
    Not true. You don't turn off your brain just because you have a baby. I kept up with CLEs and resumed work each time just as smart and good at my job. Seniority only matters for the first few years. After that it comes down to ability to do the work and attract the work, which don't necessarily reduce because of time out of the workforce.


 

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