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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post

    @Sonja, I had a few conversations with people last week re what would happen if money was taken from private schools and injected into public. When I'm on the PC tonight I'll find my references again
    Ok just not sure what they has it do with taking away long service leave and teachers assistants.

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    Some people were starting conversations on a Facebook page I am on saying if all of the money from private schools was injected into public schools the cuts wouldn't need to be made.

    My point was regarding how recently is looked into this

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I hate the misconceptions in this thread. Del - you have made the assumption that my household income is greater than 50k. I hate talking about my income in any public arena, but truth if the matter is that is actually our household income at the moment.

    Ok, do people now feel my posts are more valid knowing I'm not "technically rich".

    I'd said earlier in the thread be careful when you assume.
    I haven't made any assumptions about your income. I'm basing my comments on the fact in the past you have said you had PHI.

    I should add too that I support funding to private schools, just as I support a PHI rebate - to take the pressure off the hospital and education system.

    It's the amount some schools get though that grind my gears. School like Pymble do not need govt funding! They are charging parents upwards of 30k a year per student! meanwhile some of the poorest schools in rural and urban locations don't even have a canteen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    If you had a household income of 50k and couldn't afford PHI I'm sure you change your mind though Peg. You are speaking from someone who already has PHI. It just doesn't sit well with me that the wealthy have great schools, health care, but the poor get short changed.
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    This sounded like an assumption that our household income is greater than 50k. I was replying to this, as last I saw on here, a household income if 50k does not qualify as wealthy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    ETA. And just to go back to a point that was being discussed on this thread earlier, I think child care should be government funded so that it is either free or very inexpensive. In part I believe that could have evened up our experiences at uni. If you were able to spend more time on campus and in the campus library that would have made uni much easier.
    Hmm, probably not this time around for me as my uni was in Queensland and I was not

    My first go at a degree was on campus and I had no children. I did however have to work two jobs. I just couldn't keep it up unfortunately and I didn't get to finish it.

    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Rather off topic but Scandinavia and Finland are not utopia - look at their suicide rates. Most likely due to the weather!

    http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/2...suicide-rates/
    yeah, I would love to live in one of the Scandinavian countries as they best match my political leanings (democratic socialism - I think I am the only one who has said the s word for their political beliefs ). But couldn't do the weather. I struggle here in winter!

    Oh, and I love Eurovision.

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    I think complaining about a deferred subsidized debt which will likely enable you to earn a better income... Is a first world problem.

    There are worse things going on in the world.
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    Only likely in certain disciplines these days - a Uni degree absolutely does t guarantee an income these days, let alone a decent one.
    What Fleetwood has said here is quite important here VP. I've now finished my degree and have been looking for work for 6 months. Nothing. The only thing I have so far is a massive debt and the joy of having to attend Job Network training for the long term unemployed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Studies, like anything can be cherry picked (I'm not saying by you). But who funded the studies, who undertook them etc? And do they have those kinds of problems in countries where education is free?
    If studies can be cherry picked .. where are all the studies proving that free Uni education 'works' for countries like Australia? Please provide detail on who funded the studies, who undertook then etc and please detail whether those countries have similarly socio economic factors to Australia.


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    Unless you are boarding a child Pymble is still under 30k a cheaper than full time child care in inner Sydney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    What Fleetwood has said here is quite important here VP. I've now finished my degree and have been looking for work for 6 months. Nothing. The only thing I have so far is a massive debt and the joy of having to attend Job Network training for the long term unemployed.
    Sorry you're having a rough time.

    Getting a job after Uni is a complex issue and if someone doesn't get a job right away I don't think that means the current subsidization is unfair. And I don't think it means paying back the debt (which only occurs when income reaches a certain level) will be harder.

    I'm not saying this is occurring in your situation, or that every option is appropriate for you. Sometimes people study something when the market isn't that big for those skills. Sometimes people need to compromise upon graduating: move to anther area, or seek employment in a semi-related or unrelated area first .. As a stepping stone on the way to their ideal career. Sometimes people need to do work experience to get their foot in the door.

    Overall Uni graduates overwhelmingly end up with higher incomes.

    Good luck finding a job. Oh and congrats on finishing your study, such a hard thing to do especially with a family.

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    I actually don't agree that childcare should be free. My concern with that is that the government would never pay the staff as much as they would earn privately and we could find ourselves in a situation which is common in Europe where childcare workers are extremely low paid and itinerant, and the care suffers as a result. Steve Biddulph has written extensively about the low level of care in the uk and the stress it causes children. I would hate to find Australia going down that path.

    When the child care rebate (or whichever is the one that you get for fees up to $7500) was introduced it was actually intended to improve pay for childcare workers as centres could increase fees to pay staff more and it wouldn't hurt families as they were receiving the rebate.

    Free childcare sounds lovely but if the quality was reduced I wouldn't use it, and I'm sure many others would feel the same.

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    Think how long the lists would be if it was free!!!!


 

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