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    And as I said, it is free if you never earn over $50,000. You never have to pay it back.

    The post of mine that you quoted has the answer to your question "why not?".

    Regarding the price of text books, if that is the issue then you should be arguing for subsidies for text books or something like that, not for a change to the way university fees are paid.
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    RIght wing conservatives are pet peeve of mine.

    As to the whole notion of taking pressure off the public system by sending your kids private. All I say to that is, if the government stopped funding private and religious schools at all, imagine how much more money they would have to put into public schools.


    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    I was saying that it is free if you never earn over the repayment threshold (over $50,000), not that it is free for everyone.

    And I have to disagree that uni is incredibly difficult to pass without buying all the text books. I've done two undergraduate degrees, both times supporting myself. I often used the library text books instead of buying my own - or bought second hand, there is generally little difference between different editions of text books. It wasn't very difficult at all.

    Anyway, I wasn't arguing about the cost of uni, I was disagreeing with the notion that we should introduce absolutely free university education. Our system is extremely generous and it is a pet peeve of mine when people complain about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    RIght wing conservatives are pet peeve of mine.

    As to the whole notion of taking pressure off the public system by sending your kids private. All I say to that is, if the government stopped funding private and religious schools at all, imagine how much more money they would have to put into public schools.
    Umm, why are you quoting me here? Are you implying that I'm a right wing conservative...? Because I think our deferred fee payment system is good? Goodness, perhaps you should get out more and meet some real conservatives.

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    Omigod, but university fees have changed. In the scheme of things Hecs is relatively new. It was really good before and they changed it. You say you think it is really good now. But why. Where you worse off the way it was before?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    And as I said, it is free if you never earn over $50,000. You never have to pay it back.

    The post of mine that you quoted has the answer to your question "why not?".

    Regarding the price of text books, if that is the issue then you should be arguing for subsidies for text books or something like that, not for a change to the way university fees are paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Omigod, but university fees have changed. In the scheme of things Hecs is relatively new. It was really good before and they changed it. You say you think it is really good now. But why. Where you worse off the way it was before?
    OK, I'll spell it out.
    The government currently provides funds to universities.
    The university system also gets money from student fees.
    Therefore universities have more money than if they were only getting money from the government.
    Our current system only charges students fees when they can afford to pay them so as not to restrict people from studying based on ability to pay fees.
    There is no good reason to get rid of these fees.

    Universities at the moment are struggling as it is. They are under pressure to accept more full fee paying students just to make ends meet, thus limiting places for HECS subsidised students.

    Why would you want to rob them of an income that is socially equitable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    And as I said, it is free if you never earn over $50,000. You never have to pay it back.

    The post of mine that you quoted has the answer to your question "why not?".

    Regarding the price of text books, if that is the issue then you should be arguing for subsidies for text books or something like that, not for a change to the way university fees are paid.
    But it's not free. You still acquire a debt regardless of whether you pay it back or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarvestMoon View Post
    But it's not free. You still acquire a debt regardless of whether you pay it back or not.

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    Really? That is your argument? Ok, I'll amend my statement - it is free in every practicable way if you don't earn over $50,000. Better?

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    You know that debt affects future loans etc yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsBid View Post
    You know that debt affects future loans etc yeah?

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    Not in my experience.

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    Oh right well that's that then

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