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    I went public all the way to university. My children's future is still unwritten, so is irrelevant to this discussion.

    I lived in share houses on 2min noodles etc and worked part time to get myself through university. I paid my hecs when I was earning enough.

    Are my comments anymore valid because I went to a very large (and with a very poor reputation) public school?

    My point is, regardless of the school, my parents placed value on education and that was instilled for me to study etc. The school didn't matter

    What matters is that we all have access to a school. And parents have access to parenting skills
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    But not everyone who comes out of uni has a high income. In fact, lots of people don't, the get into a profession because they love it, not because of the money. And isn't the payback for hecs above 40,000 per year? I hardly call that a high income.

    I would say myself personally, that if you look at it as the government investing in people's future, for the return they will get in the long run. Then it isn't like you are even giving away "free" education, it is just like investing in anything and receiving payback for it. Like instead of stocks, you are investing in the people.

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    Of course it is relevant. Sending your kids to private school just goes to show your argument is flawed. It means you think there are more factors than just parental influence, indicating you do not think public and private schools are equal.

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    The threshold is just over 50k, which is not exactly struggle street. And you only have to pay back increments proportional to your income anyway (the higher your income the higher the percentage you pay back per year). The point is that people are not being stopped from going to uni because they can't afford the fees.

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    Sure not all new graduates earn good money. I sure didn't, I was earning more per hour as a shop assistant, so I continued at target for 2 years after graduating.

    But as we've said, not all want to or need to go to uni, so its a choice. The point is it needs to be accessible for all. The pay back is pro rata and so not unreasonable that the payback starts before the big bucks

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    It would be impossible to give every child the same opportunity and start in life. However, that's not to say that each child isn't deserving of every opportunity to fulfil their potential.

    My children have a huge advantage over many others as they have parents who:
    - Instill self confidence and worth at every opportunity.
    - Place education and school attendance as a not-negotiable
    - Take active interest in their learning and development
    - Can afford to pay for specialists to help their development if needed (eg speech therapy, tutor)
    - Provide a happy, stable homelife with 2 loving and supportive parents
    - Provide healthy, nutritious meals every single day
    - Assume our children are bright, intelligent and able to learn and succeed.

    That's a massive advantage over many children.

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    Have you checked how expensive text books are lately?

    My point is, there are countries out there, who are investing in their own people and it has been proven time and time and again to be working and to be making said countries money. So if it works, and it makes money in the long run. Then why not?

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    The threshold is just over 50k, which is not exactly struggle street. And you only have to pay back increments proportional to your income anyway (the higher your income the higher the percentage you pay back per year). The point is that people are not being stopped from going to uni because they can't afford the fees.

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    But I'm not saying that. I am saying - if is proven to work and proven to make money for the country in the long run. Then why wouldn't you do it? Sure, the way we have it now isn't too bad, there is a lot worse out there. But it certainly isn't the best. Why shouldn't we aim for the best? The most educated, the healthiest citizens on the planet? Why is it that whenever someone suggests something else that could be done, people always go "Oh, but we aren't as bad as Somalia" you know?

    As well as free education, I am also very big on free and good health.

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    Sure not all new graduates earn good money. I sure didn't, I was earning more per hour as a shop assistant, so I continued at target for 2 years after graduating.

    But as we've said, not all want to or need to go to uni, so its a choice. The point is it needs to be accessible for all. The pay back is pro rata and so not unreasonable that the payback starts before the big bucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Of course it is relevant. Sending your kids to private school just goes to show your argument is flawed. It means you think there are more factors than just parental influence, indicating you do not think public and private schools are equal.
    The point is in my area I could choose public, Catholic, Christian, Steiner or Montessori. I have the choice, so I exercise my right to do that.

    I thought access was what we're discussing. In terms of opportunities, the public schools in our area. I do not believe my children will have a better chance of attending uni or a sports scholarship (for example) due to attending the school they are at, but I have made no secret of the fact that I am a Christian and that has played more a part in determining which school they attend.

    You should never assume you know why someone makes the choices they do. I stand by the fact that which school my children attend is irrelevant to this discussion. What is relevant is that we have choice where we live.

    Oh and by choosing to cut down on some things to pay fees for private schooling I am helping take some strain off the public system.

    Interestingly (or maybe not) if the choice in my area was public or private catholic, my children would be at the public school. Because that would align more with us

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Have you checked how expensive text books are lately?

    My point is, there are countries out there, who are investing in their own people and it has been proven time and time and again to be working and to be making said countries money. So if it works, and it makes money in the long run. Then why not?
    Providing free university will have no impact on the price of text books.

    My answer to why not is because we have a really great system in place already that doesn't disadvantage the poor. University is free for anyone who can't afford it.
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