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    I think it's important to remember until the 1970's or so, that university was completely free. It didn't send us broke. I remember in the early 90's in high school and our economics teacher saying his degree was totally free.

    I think it's much better sense to fund free child care than Abbott's new PPL scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    French school is free too (and starts from 3yo!!). Uni are basically free (around $500 a year) and childcare is heavily subsidized.

    That coupled to the awesome &quot;free&quot; health system and defined benefit retirement make me beg for DH to take us back to France <img src="images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" smilieid="92" class="inlineimg"

    But nothing compares to the Aussie lifestyle! <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" smilieid="1" class="inlineimg"
    Don't they have tons of public holidays too? And help you with a nanny when you have a baby?! So awesome!

    But still too socialist for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    You gonna dig up the stats ?
    I don't have stats at my finger tips, but countries like Norway, Sweden etc are killing us in education, health care, bfing rates and general happiness.

    The problem is that people want everything subsidised or free, but don't want to pay the tax to cover it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    I'd pick free childcare over Uni! Otherwise too many people go just for the social aspects and also do plebby degrees that won't help them get a decent job.

    But I don't think either should be free. Although I vote Green I am definitely not socialist.
    But they are the best ones I am currently doing a proper degree -only just started and very part time, and I HATE it with a passion. I feel ill at how boring it is. I just want to pack it in and to a sociology degree or something...and I think I will!

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    I meant free uni, we used to have that.

    I agree, you would need to factor in social and economic differences between said countries. You can't just proclaim it won't work with absolutely no evidence whatsoever!

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    When did we have free childcare for everyone?

    If a country does have free Uni and fee childcare then before you compare that country to Australia you need to compare a whole heap of different social and economic indicators.

    How do you think the Government should pay for such measures? Any cost benefits (if at all) will be many many years away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    But they are the best ones<img src="images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Tongue" smilieid="93" class="inlineimg" I am currently doing a proper degree -only just started and very part time, and I HATE it with a passion. I feel ill at how boring it is. I just want to pack it in and to a sociology degree or something...and I think I will!
    Yeah I did a proper one too and wish I had done History!

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    It isn't free this and free that. We all get taxed, some of us would prefer it be used to make sure our population is health and educated. And some of us just want to line our own pockets. I know what side of the fence I'm on!



    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I agree with some level of social support but free this and free that.. I think we will see an amazing difference in how far forward our country will go when people start taking responsibility for their own life and stop expecting a handout at every turn..

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
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    I think it's much better sense to fund free child care than Abbott's new PPL scheme.
    Not that I agree with free childcare but I agree with your prioritisation

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    It isn't free this and free that. We all get taxed, some of us would prefer it be used to make sure our population is health and educated. And some of us just want to line our own pockets. I know what side of the fence I'm on!
    Communism/socialism v capitalism... An interesting debate each with its own merits. I think the answer is somewhere in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Why should the Govt pay for a lifestyle choice? I am very surprised to hear you of all people say that, when you absolutely believe the the Govt should fund parents decisions to not work in order to raise children. Which is also a "lifestyle choice". Or do you just not think the Govt should fund choices that don't apply to you?
    No. Ive never said the govt should fund SAHP. Just that they are not worthless. I certainly don't expect to be funded when I take 1-3 yrs off after the next bub. That is a lifestyle decision for my family and kids.


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