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    Quote Originally Posted by FearlessLeader View Post
    There are all sorts of reasons people live inner city that have nothing to do with lifestyle choice. Just because it was a choice for you doesn't make it so for everyone.
    In any case the point is not so much the daily rate but rather that once you go past 3 days of care a week you are out of pocket. Again, for some working FT is a choice, others not so much.
    The whole point of CCR is to make it affordable for women to go back to work. It is not about welfare for the middle classes, it is about having more people working more and paying more tax. It falls short of its aim.
    I'm all for anything that gives women more options, without penalty, period!

    If there is no cap, that does not mean that (higher-earning) mothers who chooses not to work (SAHM's) are more likely to go back to work because they get cheaper c/care! On the other hand a mother who chooses to return to work won't feel penalised for doing so.

    For parents who have to return to work, well it goes without saying that they shouldn't be penalised - those people are usually the lower-income ones anyway so the capping point is kinda moot.

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    I personally think extended parental leave should exist, childcare should be free, and preschool, school and university. It isn't like other countries aren't doing it right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I personally think extended parental leave should exist, childcare should be free, and preschool, school and university. It isn't like other countries aren't doing it right now.
    That would be awwwwsummmm

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    I think FL said it all

    Free (or at least affordable) and good quality childcare is effectively what a nation need to provide equitable opportunities to both male and female employees.
    It's not a coincidence if only 53% of female employees work FT vs 84% of male employees.

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    I can't understand the rationale behind not supporting mass subsidised quality childcare because it pays back over and above the cost in economic terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    I think FL said it all

    Free (or at least affordable) and good quality childcare is effectively what a nation need to provide equitable opportunities to both male and female employees.
    It's not a coincidence if only 53% of female employees work FT vs 84% of male employees.

    Not that I think you're saying this, but with regards to the statistic, I don't think it's a bad thing that a parent doesn't work full-time (btw, is it 53% of women? Or mothers?), especially if it's a choice. If women aren't working FT only because they feel they can't, that's a problem yes. But I don't see the problem as the low percentage rate per se. If they're staying home (or working PT) to be with the children by choice then that's absolutely fine. There is a real difference between the statistic between males and females though, so clearly the CCR isn't stopping men working, even though their partners may want to go back to work too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I personally think extended parental leave should exist, childcare should be free, and preschool, school and university. It isn't like other countries aren't doing it right now.
    But those countries tend to have higher taxes.

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    And more highly educated people. And more family friendly workplace. Sure they may have higher taxes, but it all works out in the end.

    And Finland - which is where I was thinking, have not only completely free education, they also provide food to all their students. They have a lower income tax rate than us, but a higher VAT - but in comparison to other EU countries their VAT is quite low at 24%. 30% income tax kicks in after 62,000+ per annum is earned.

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    But those countries tend to have higher taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I personally think extended parental leave should exist, childcare should be free, and preschool, school and university. It isn't like other countries aren't doing it right now.
    I disagree. Subsidised assistance yes... But free childcare/university? That's ridiculous. The country would go broke and well the economy would go up the crapper.

    At some point people have to grow some balls and contribute to their own economic and social well being.

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    Oh really? Like you mean America? Or England? France? Spain? Greece. All countries that subscribe to your capitalist theories of people "growing balls" and sorting out their own economics. And all broke - economies down the crapper because capitalism just doesn't work.

    If you have a better idea - I am all ears. Sorry - but what your describing has already been done - and bombed badly.

    And I subscribe to the theory, if you have a healthy population that are educated, that saves governments money in the long run. If anything - America should be put on show as what not to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I disagree. Subsidised assistance yes... But free childcare/university? That's ridiculous. The country would go broke and well the economy would go up the crapper.

    At some point people have to grow some balls and contribute to their own economic and social well being.

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