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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Debt will have been repaid when Aboriginal people don't have the highest mortality rate in the western world. We aren't even close to equality. The fact that you think we should just all move on and get over it, shows just how little you know about the situation. Maybe on your next holiday, you should go up to an NT community and see just how dire the situation is yourself.
    Yes it is pretty darned dire out bush... Reminds me of the third world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Yes it is pretty darned dire out bush... Reminds me of the third world.
    Totally agree. I think everyone should have to spend some time in the outback to see what is really happening in our own country.

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    If full salary paid parental leave were available for both parents, say 3 months for each parents, we would take a step in the right direction.

    Then society has a whole would stop seeing this having baby business as a female role. Male and female would have their career impacted the same way when choosing to build a family.
    And what an improvement for our kids too, to see that male and female partake in education and house chores equitably.

    Cause sexism gets created there and then.

    There is a study that shows that before 3yo, if you ask a child which gender people tend to prefer he will answer his own gender. But past 3yo, the answer that men tend to be preferred by people gets stronger. Especially in the group of kids that watch a lot of tv and/or for girls that leave in a household where chores are mostly done by the mum…

    A little off topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Just had a thought. Maybe there aren't as many female cabinet ministers because there aren't as many female polticians... Because politicians don't really have access to flexible working conditions. It's not as if they can say "I want to work a half day" when parliament is sitting. Their constituents voted them in to vote on their behalf... So they can't really wag when question time is on.

    Makes it hard for women with young kids but that's life.
    People can't work half days in many female dominated industries. It just doesn't stack up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    If full salary paid parental leave were available for both parents, say 3 months for each parents, we would take a step in the right direction.

    Then society has a whole would stop seeing this having baby business as a female role. Male and female would have their career impacted the same way when choosing to build a family.
    And what an improvement for our kids too, to see that male and female partake in education and house chores equitably.

    Cause sexism gets created there and then.

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    I don't know if this is really a feasible option for everyone. As a breastfeeding mother only having 3 months off, then Hubby having 3 months off wouldn't have worked for me. Expressing is a pain in the butt: I would have to express for 2-3 hours to get enough milk for hubby to look after bub.

    When I have a bub I resign myself to the fact that I will be out of work for 10-12 months due to breastfeeding. For me that's not sexism ...it is just a natural consequence of being a breastfeeding mother.. Of being a female.

    Once I went back to work household chores/child raising was split with hubby 50-50. It really helped me get back into work. So I see your point there.

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    I understand what you are saying VP, but it still doesn't add up, if you look at Aboriginal people in an urban setting, their mortality rate is still way higher, education and thus high paying careers are often out of reach. It is not because Aboriginal people are less intelligent, but a vicious cycle that goes on and on.

    As to the whole moving on and getting over it thing. My culture was taken over by the English too - a heck of a long time ago - much longer than here in Australia. And the hatred never leaves, not that I look at Englsh people and hate them, but as a nation- I believe they have done huge amounts of wrong in the past, maybe that is why I totally understand why the "debt hasn't been paid" in terms of Indigenous Australians.

    And I think VP is probably right about parliament not being child friendly. But what I would like to know is, why are we automatically disadvantaged in terms of career prospects than men just because we have kids? Men have kids all the time too - why is Tony Abbott PM? He has 3 kids...



    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Yes I am serious. Redfern probably was pretty bad however I can honestly say where I grew up the urban Aboriginal population were at no more a disadvantage than the non-Aboriginal population. And Later in life living with Aboriginals in remote communities they are at a 100% worse disadvantage than the Aboriginals where I grew up (standard of living, opportunity, racism).

    - I am still for certain positive discrimination measures. I just believe as funding is limited others need to be tailored a bit more to those in greater need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    If full salary paid parental leave were available for both parents, say 3 months for each parents, we would take a step in the right direction.

    Then society has a whole would stop seeing this having baby business as a female role. Male and female would have their career impacted the same way when choosing to build a family.
    And what an improvement for our kids too, to see that male and female partake in education and house chores equitably.
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    If DH and I both had 3 months at our pay each ( even 12 months!) it still would not make me want to go back to work full time , no amount of money or perks would entice me to go back to working 6 days and long hours - there is no way now i could do the same job properly and long hours before i had DS, a lot of my friends are the same, out of choice not necessity , give up at least 10 years of their careers for their kids , that's just what we want to do, luckily we have a choice

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    In Finland they get 3 years - and one or the other parent can take it or they can split it. THey then have free childcare, free schooling and free university.

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I don't know if this is really a feasible option for everyone. As a breastfeeding mother only having 3 months off, then Hubby having 3 months off wouldn't have worked for me. Expressing is a pain in the butt: I would have to express for 2-3 hours to get enough milk for hubby to look after bub.

    When I have a bub I resign myself to the fact that I will be out of work for 10-12 months due to breastfeeding. For me that's not sexism ...it is just a natural consequence of being a breastfeeding mother.. Of being a female.

    Once I went back to work household chores/child raising was split with hubby 50-50. It really helped me get back into work. So I see your point there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    If full salary paid parental leave were available for both parents, say 3 months for each parents, we would take a step in the right direction.

    Then society has a whole would stop seeing this having baby business as a female role. Male and female would have their career impacted the same way when choosing to build a family.
    And what an improvement for our kids too, to see that male and female partake in education and house chores equitably.
    I think you put forward the idea of both parents being entitled to separate ppl in another thread. Since I read it I've just been thinking "yes, of course, why didn't I think of that". It's such a great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I don't know if this is really a feasible option for everyone. As a breastfeeding mother only having 3 months off, then Hubby having 3 months off wouldn't have worked for me. Expressing is a pain in the butt: I would have to express for 2-3 hours to get enough milk for hubby to look after bub.

    When I have a bub I resign myself to the fact that I will be out of work for 10-12 months due to breastfeeding. For me that's not sexism ...it is just a natural consequence of being a breastfeeding mother.. Of being a female.

    Once I went back to work household chores/child raising was split with hubby 50-50. It really helped me get back into work. So I see your point there.
    There's no reason why you couldn't take off longer as unpaid leave though. This is just a suggestion to make it attractive for men to take parental leave independently of what their partner is doing.


 

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