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    Quote Originally Posted by NoteToSelf View Post

    I cannot remember who made the comment that Tanya Pliberseck would not be a suitable candidate for Labor leadership because she had a 3 year old child? And yet no mention of Bill Shorten's 3 year old.

    Australia does have a long way to go.
    I think it was Bob Hawke. It says a lot about Australia's attitudes toward working women. So do the 'baby brain' comments

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    The example above - the 3 year old child - is another example of how women in politics cannot win. Gillard was heavily criticised for not having children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I agree, it starts way back. Provisions for Men to take paternity leave if the family chooses, cheaper and better childcare, free even - like they do in some European countries, free education, like in said European countries. So many things need to change, and the expectation that women are only ones who should staying at home and look after children should be the first.
    All of these things plus I absolutely don't see why women can't do both... Stay home with their babies if they need to AND work from home or flexibly. I could easily work full- time if I had the flexibility to only be in the office for say, half a day, then pick up DS and do some more hours from home in the evening. It's totally doable yet many workplaces are still reluctant to do it for some reason. Instead I only do contract work here and there or look at part-time roles because working full-time means being away from DS for 10 hours a day. I really feel stuck and it sucks. I have over ten years experience yet am on a low income.

    Sorry a bit off topic there!

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    Peg, in all fairness, I don't think any of the previous comments (or similar) are ever aimed at you. You stick around and debate a topic with intelligence and an open mind whereas others say an ignorant comment and run, never returning to discuss, or can be pretty condescending-which is where a lot of the defensiveness comes from.

    But agree that we should refrain from insulting or being offensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleetwood View Post
    All of these things plus I absolutely don't see why women can't do both... Stay home with their babies if they need to AND work from home or flexibly. I could easily work full- time if I had the flexibility to only be in the office for say, half a day, then pick up DS and do some more hours from home in the evening. It's totally doable yet many workplaces are still reluctant to do it for some reason. Instead I only do contract work here and there or look at part-time roles because working full-time means being away from DS for 10 hours a day. I really feel stuck and it sucks. I have over ten years experience yet am on a low income.

    Sorry a bit off topic there!
    I think you also need to look at the types of work that women dominate in...nursing, teaching, allied health, other caring roles. These are the types of roles, that by definition, need their employee on-site at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    The example above - the 3 year old child - is another example of how women in politics cannot win. Gillard was heavily criticised for not having children.
    Not only that, but her partner was mocked for being a hairdresser...does anyone know what Tony Abbott's wife does for a living?

    It goes all the way to hairstyles and clothes...who comments on male politicians hair styles or suits? Julila Gillard's were constantly being examined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    What is questionable about the carbon tax, less 14% carbon emissions in one year - far higher than predicted. I'd say it was working pretty well.

    What I will laugh about most of all, is that people are going to still get these high utility bills, because gas and elec are going up all the time at huge rates, that have nothing to do with carbon tax. How I shall laugh - It'll be my "I told you so" moment.
    We've had it repeated to us many times in our state that our rising power bills are due to the fact that the government has been subsidizing power and the real costs for a long time. So I wouldn't be waiting for my "I told you so" if I was you.

    As for the carbon tax, I acknowledge emissions levels are down, but they were before the tax, so how much can be attributed to the tax? That is what I question and is likely to be more obvious when the carbon tax is scrapped

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoteToSelf View Post
    Not only that, but her partner was mocked for being a hairdresser...does anyone know what Tony Abbott's wife does for a living?

    It goes all the way to hairstyles and clothes...who comments on male politicians hair styles or suits? Julila Gillard's were constantly being examined.
    She's owns a childcare centre you know, one of the ones that will have funding cut and staff/child ratios increased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoteToSelf View Post
    I think you also need to look at the types of work that women dominate in...nursing, teaching, allied health, other caring roles. These are the types of roles, that by definition, need their employee on-site at work.
    Sure. Yes I should have added the words 'where possible' with regards to flexible work arrangements. Why is it not done where possible.

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