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    Default Vent thread for the people disappointed with the outcomes of the election.

    Okay - so I thought I'd put it out here, so that people could raise their fears regarding why they think the they will be so much worse off with a different government.

    I thought this thread could have people list their fears and we could track if the anticipated cuts/whatever happen and if fears are founded.

    I've seen a lot on here in recent times which I haven't necessarily seen IRL. They suggest that a change in government will spell doom and gloom for so many.

    Things like:
    • Cuts to penalty rates
    • Cuts to public sector jobs (do people randomly lose their jobs or are they choosing to just not renew contracts)
    • Changes to the tax free threshold
    - (the tax free threshold was $6k - is now $18K - as far as I know there is no one that earns between $6k and $18K - so will this affect anyone? I know when the Labor government changed the tax free threshold it effectively changed nothing, so why is this so scary?

    I genuinely want to know as I see so much negativity regarding how the change of government will affect people here on bubhub.


    I've seen posts on here regarding child care issues, regarding penalty rates, regarding public sector cuts and more. But most of all I've been concerned regarding seeing members saying on other threads that with the change of government that basically we're going to go back the 1950's. Personally I don't believe this, but if other members believe this, then I'm pushed to find out why this might happen and how we can ensure that it doesn't. (No- bringing up a previous quote by Abbott does not prove that it will happen).

    It seems that people posting on here are very upset and others are saying "it's okay the sky won't fall down"

    So I thought if people posted here what their fears are, we could track if the fears are valid ones.

    WDYT?

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    I'm not creally concerned about any of that. DH and I hae a very high combined income and will be better off under a coalition government.

    My reasons for not voting for LNP were to do with the carbon tax (I support it), a conscience vote on gay marriage (I also support that) and my concerns about the coalition border protection policies. LNP also don't have a strong history of supporting environmental issues (TA doesn't believe in climate change) which worries me greatly. I don't like the fact he doesn't support education reform, and I don't agree with his ongoing support of private schools (even though all 4 of my children will ultimately be privately educated).

    Thses are just a few off the top of my head while I'm breast feeding.

    Ultimately though I just loathe him personally, and I think he will be an enormous embarrassment on the world stage. It would be like if Sarah Palin was elected. He's not smart, and I don't think there's much talent in the shadow cabinet.

    But ultimately though I personally found Australia got a little bit meaner under the Howard government, and I don't want to go there again. Xenophobia breeds more wildly under the LNP government. I also don't like the sense of individual progression at the sake of the community.

    Are these the sorts of things you had in mind?

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    I'm genuinely putting this out there as I am trying to understand the fear I see in members posts regarding loss of penalty rates, loss of jobs etc. It seems that if I read bubhub Australia is going to be the laughing stock of the world given the change of pm.

    If someone (or someone's DP) loses their job or penalty rates, or whatever, then someone should be held accountable, but what I'm trying to discern is how much was scaremongering and how much of the campaign stuff were real issues rather than stuff that was brought about by the campaigning of the other side.

    As soon as someone can post that their dp or themselves have lost penalty rates or their job or whatever as a direct result of the change of government, then I would be one of the first to jump on the band wagon and lobby the member in the area to change what is going on. However if it's all just been scare tactics from the other side, then may we all just carry on.

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    Ok. My reasons had nothing to do with that. Just putting mine out there as I do believe we will be a laughing stock once TA opens his mouth in an international setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I'm not creally concerned about any of that. DH and I hae a very high combined income and will be better off under a coalition government.

    My reasons for not voting for LNP were to do with the carbon tax (I support it), a conscience vote on gay marriage (I also support that) and my concerns about the coalition border protection policies. LNP also don't have a strong history of supporting environmental issues (TA doesn't believe in climate change) which worries me greatly. I don't like the fact he doesn't support education reform, and I don't agree with his ongoing support of private schools (even though all 4 of my children will ultimately be privately educated).

    Thses are just a few off the top of my head while I'm breast feeding.

    Ultimately though I just loathe him personally, and I think he will be an enormous embarrassment on the world stage. It would be like if Sarah Palin was elected. He's not smart, and I don't think there's much talent in the shadow cabinet.

    But ultimately though I personally found Australia got a little bit meaner under the Howard government, and I don't want to go there again. Xenophobia breeds more wildly under the LNP government. I also don't like the sense of individual progression at the sake of the community.

    Are these the sorts of things you had in mind?
    Thanks for your response Sonja. What I'm trying to understand is the absolute negativity and sadness regarding the change of government.

    I haven't been here all day (I was working at a polling booth as an aec official) and have just got through the threads where there seems to be a lot of fear regarding what's going to happen due to the change of government.

    Personally, regarding the carbon tax, I'm still not convinced that the carbon tax has had any real impact on reducing emissions that wouldn't have happened without it's introduction.

    Regarding same sex marriage - I am of the mind that there is still a chance that a conscience vote may still happen under a coalition government. Mind you, a conscience vote under the Labor government, did not yield the results that people hoped. K Rudd saying he'd put it to a conscious vote did not guarantee that Labor would bring it in.

    Regarding the boat arrivals, I'm not sure what the answer is here. We know that boat arrivals are not a good thing (as they are dangerous) but while it seems that both parties are united on this issue, the idea of sending people to PNG ( to me) seems outlandish given that we are accepting refugees from PNG to come to Australia. Jeez - this issue is so big - and we really need to figure how to help the refugees of the world.

    Regarding the shadow cabinet, I've been watching my area with interest. My area is a "safe" Liberal electorate and when the sitting member retired, we had a state member who was an attorney general come up into it. He now seems to have been elected. It was always the motive. I somehow think he will be the leader of the party within the next 5? years.

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    I work closely with people who are involved in carbon tax schemes and personally feel very strongly that they are a good idea. The reduction in emissions takes a long time to see and i personally think our scheme needed to go further. It is one of those things that exists world wide and makes us look a little bit stupid for not having one.

    As for boat people, I did not like the labor policy but the media black out on numbers scares me. It's one of those issues that I just don't trust an LNP government to handle humanely as they don't have a happy history there. That might be unfair but they lost a lot of good will when howard was in government.

    Same sex marriage will not gain traction under Abbott. We will have to wait for a new leader for that. I genuinely believe it would have happened more quickly under a labor government. I guess we'll never know.

    Abbott just deeply embarrasses and scares me. I would have coped with turnbull. But not Abbott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Ultimately though I just loathe him personally, and I think he will be an enormous embarrassment on the world stage. It would be like if Sarah Palin was elected. He's not smart, and I don't think there's much talent in the shadow cabinet.

    But ultimately though I personally found Australia got a little bit meaner under the Howard government, and I don't want to go there again. Xenophobia breeds more wildly under the LNP government. I also don't like the sense of individual progression at the sake of the community.

    Are these the sorts of things you had in mind?
    And these are absolutely what I had in mind - lets document that you are concerned that TA will be an embarrassment on the international stage and when he is - then we can say "I told you so".

    I also think we need to make a note of individual voters saying "Australia got meaner under the Howard government" and noting that.

    What I'm trying to document here is voters who are totally disillusioned and trying to figure out what may have been scaremongering and what may be truly scary if it has happens due to a change in government.

    If unfair changes do occur due to a change in government then we (the people) have a job to do to ensure that the powers that be are notified that the changes are unacceptable.

    However, if anticipated changes which people have based their votes on never become policy then we have right to spruik that as well (as people) to ensure that the people who have concerns know where they stand.


    Because if the new government starts acting in a way that the people think is unacceptable then they must be held accountable.

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    I'm not really interested in "I told you so" though. That's not me. And I don't know how you measure a country getting "meaner". Many will like these changes and won't agree.

    I agree that factual issues like changes to penalty rates etc are measurable. But other changes aren't.

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    I will add one thing I'll be happy to see happen is the dismantling of much if the union power and corruption. I come from a family strongly tied to unions, but many are so completely corrupt. And I won't be sad to see parts of the nsw labor party implode. Many things have to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I'm not really interested in "I told you so" though. That's not me. And I don't know how you measure a country getting "meaner". Many will like these changes and won't agree.

    I agree that factual issues like changes to penalty rates etc are measurable. But other changes aren't.
    You have said that you anticipate that under a coalition government (if it's like the Howard government) then it may get "meaner" then what i'm asking if it is meaner truly then how can we make the government more accountable and lets measure it rather than making statements about what may become rather than what is


 

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