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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I'd suspect the idea of not broadcasting the boat arrivals is a strategy so that successes aren't advertised to people thinking of getting on a boat. Just my musings, I dont know, just getting my head around it
    Call me a cynic but I doubt many asylum seekers living in confines in Indonesia, Malaysia, etc without income would have a tele or the funds for regular newspapers, or possibly even speak the local language fluently enough to comprehend.

    If the public don't hear about boats arriving it will
    A. fall off the political agenda, and/or
    B. give the impression that the boats have been stopped.

    Win/Win for the coalition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Yes! It's private info. I wonder if they'd ask WHY you wanted no filtering?
    I can't see how they'd do that - there'd be arms up in the air everywhere.

    Was reading some smaller parties policies on this sort of stuff yesterday - there are parties wanting all ISP details etc removed and no amount of internet tracking to be allowed. Hm - doesn't bode well for tracking of paedophiles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Busy-Bee View Post
    Call me a cynic but I doubt many asylum seekers living in confines in Indonesia, Malaysia, etc without income would have a tele or the funds for regular newspapers, or possibly even speak the local language fluently enough to comprehend.

    If the public don't hear about boats arriving it will
    A. fall off the political agenda, and/or
    B. give the impression that the boats have been stopped.

    Win/Win for the coalition.
    We know that usually when boats arrive there are already family or friends who know who is arriving. They may not speak a lot of English, but I think there are probably a lot who have someone who speaks their language that they are talking to in Australia. (You only have to watch GBTWYCF to see this)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busy-Bee View Post
    Call me a cynic but I doubt many asylum seekers living in confines in Indonesia, Malaysia, etc without income would have a tele or the funds for regular newspapers, or possibly even speak the local language fluently enough to comprehend.

    If the public don't hear about boats arriving it will
    A. fall off the political agenda, and/or
    B. give the impression that the boats have been stopped.

    Win/Win for the coalition.
    Asylum seekers living in Indonesia/Malaysia aren't that poor. If they have enough $ to pay people smugglers they have enough $ for a newspaper.

    Anyway the media ban is designed more for relatives in Australia that help organise/sponsor the smuggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Asylum seekers living in Indonesia/Malaysia aren't that poor. If they have enough $ to pay people smugglers they have enough $ for a newspaper.

    Anyway the media ban is designed more for relatives in Australia that help organise/sponsor the smuggling.
    Not sure they can read Indonesian.

    Can you explain your last sentence. I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Not sure they can read Indonesian.

    Can you explain your last sentence. I don't get it.
    1) there are plenty of English/other language speaking newspapers in Indonesia
    2) a chunk of the time relatives and friends in Australia help organise the people smuggling for their families stuck in Indonesia/Malaysia (probably using the same smugglers they did). Stopping media coverage of boat arrivals may help create the perception for the familiar facilitators in Australia that smuggling isn't successful.

    The whole ban idea is a long shot IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    We know that usually when boats arrive there are already family or friends who know who is arriving. They may not speak a lot of English, but I think there are probably a lot who have someone who speaks their language that they are talking to in Australia. (You only have to watch GBTWYCF to see this)
    See to me, this doesn't sit right. It is not illegal to seek asylum in any form (including arriving by boat) so these people have every right to inform somebody that they are arriving. Making it so nobody knows if they've arrived sounds cruel to me.

    But then I guess they're turning back the boats any way, another level of being cruel.

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    Back to the debt quickly...so I finally remembered to ask DH about it last night, how big a deal is it, will labor put Australia into a recession, etc.

    1: it's being used as an election tactic when it shouldn't be, Australia's economy is not in a bad place and the debt compared to the GDP is incredibly low.

    2. In his opinion regarding the economy, neither labor or liberal have it right--they both have good policies and they both have bad policies.

    3. The chances of a recession are pretty much nil, it's a scare tactic that shouldn't be used to gain votes in this election right now.

    4. He's still unsure about who he's voting for!

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    Moxy just posted this in the other thread and I thought it was a good read:

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the...905-2t828.html

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    Can you read more than one language? I know I can't and I'm currently at university and not a refugee fleeing for my live from war torn and impoverished country.

    But that is neither here nor there. I have experience with media blackouts, where the media only shows one side of the situation. And when that happens, the people on the "other" side, are made out to be villains and evil and no amount of telling the other side of the story sway people from believing that it is all one sided. At the end of the day, most people get their information from the media and most people trust it.

    We are all adults, most Australians are educated, we need to make up our own minds about things - and I will never, ever support media blackouts, no matter the reason. Julian Assange has it just about right.

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    1) there are plenty of English/other language speaking newspapers in Indonesia
    2) a chunk of the time relatives and friends in Australia help organise the people smuggling for their families stuck in Indonesia/Malaysia (probably using the same smugglers they did). Stopping media coverage of boat arrivals may help create the perception for the familiar facilitators in Australia that smuggling isn't successful.

    The whole ban idea is a long shot IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Julian Assange has it just about right.
    Are you voting for him? Was it the song that synched the deal for you?

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