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    But things change in religion, all the time. It was only recently that they changed Limbo, all those starving babies in Africa being cast out for all eternity because they died before they could be baptised.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    Ha! Me? No, I don't abide by anything the church tells me to do!

    But, the anti-gay marriage stance isn't some obscure rule buried in the Bible somewhere, it is one of the Catholic Church's official, and very vocal teachings. I think there is a difference between an individual's interpretation of the Bible and what the Church's official stance is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    No matter how you spin it, it doesn't justify the use of the word "homophobic".

    Violation of civil rights? Sure. Oppression, injustice, discrimination? 100%. But not homophobic.

    And don't make the mistake of assuming that the people I speak of are somehow so battered and bullied that they don't believe themselves worthy, or some nonsense. These are not brow-beaten people skulking in the shadows. Your assumption that this is the only reason they could possibly be opposed is, frankly, offensive.
    If you are prejudiced against gay people you are homophobic. It is absolutely prejudice to discriminate based on gender or sexual orientation.

    Even if you are your self gay, you can be homophobic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    But things change in religion, all the time. It was only recently that they changed Limbo, all those starving babies in Africa being cast out for all eternity because they died before they could be baptised.
    Actually, to my understanding, this is how dogmatic law works, which is the power God gave to the Pope (and gets passed down from Pope to Poope, etc) which basically says any Earthly decree he makes for the Catholic Church and speaking as the representative of Him all mighty will be kept in Heaven also.

    So basically, if the Pope were to go "Y'know what? Yeah. Homosexual marriage? Lets go with it. Legalise it all the way, baby!" Then God will pretty much go ".. Kay? Kay. Come on in, fellas!" And that'll be the end of it.**

    ** I do want to point out that I've only briefly researched the principals of Dogmatic law, so I could be incorrect in this. But that's my understanding of how it works. So God basically doesn't really matter any more in the making of Earthly laws, because he's now left it up to the discretion of the Pope who, if the Pope says so, will be all like "Okay, lets go. Woot."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    I don't agree that a relationship isn't cemented without marriage. In fact, I actually find that sentiment a bit offensive. Most of the people in my family aren't married, and i consider their relationships just as valuable and enduring as a married couple.
    Of course they are, I said in our society
    To be honest though its no more offensive than saying religion is the only thing making marriage worthwhile (paraphrased).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    Actually, to my understanding, this is how dogmatic law works, which is the power God gave to the Pope (and gets passed down from Pope to Poope, etc) which basically says any Earthly decree he makes for the Catholic Church and speaking as the representative of Him all mighty will be kept in Heaven also.

    So basically, if the Pope were to go "Y'know what? Yeah. Homosexual marriage? Lets go with it. Legalise it all the way, baby!" Then God will pretty much go ".. Kay? Kay. Come on in, fellas!" And that'll be the end of it.**

    ** I do want to point out that I've only briefly researched the principals of Dogmatic law, so I could be incorrect in this. But that's my understanding of how it works. So God basically doesn't really matter any more in the making of Earthly laws, because he's now left it up to the discretion of the Pope who, if the Pope says so, will be all like "Okay, lets go. Woot."
    God just told me not to vote for Tony Abbott!ImageUploadedByThe Bub Hub1378266132.497395.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amiedoll View Post
    Of course they are, I said in our society
    To be honest though its no more offensive than saying religion is the only thing making marriage worthwhile (paraphrased).


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    So you are saying that my relationship is not as important/worthwhile/'cemented' as yours because I didn't sign on the dotted line? I think that is incorrect, and the people in 'society' that I know don't seem to agree with you either.

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    I totally agree with you, I am married, but on reflection - I wish we didn't and saved that money for something more important to us - our marriage isn't what makes us committed or stronger or anything like that.

    However, I think everyone should have the right to choose if they get married or not. If not in churches - then definitely civil unions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    So you are saying that my relationship is not as important/worthwhile/'cemented' as yours because I didn't sign on the dotted line? I think that is incorrect, and the people in 'society' that I know don't seem to agree with you either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    (and gets passed down from Pope to Poope, etc)
    LOL

    Sorry everyone, back to your intelligent discussion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMama View Post
    LOL

    Sorry everyone, back to your intelligent discussion...
    I did notice that but decided to leave it to see if anyone else did. I had a hell of a giggle about it when I'd realised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainbow road View Post
    I've been with my DP for almost 3 years (well and truly defacto) and have just gone through an arduous and expensive change of name process, and if I want to get my name altered on my passports without paying for brand new passports (they expire in 7 years) now need to go through an arduous and expensive process of getting our relationship registered so that I have a 'legitimate' reason for my name change.

    Yes we have the same rights as a defacto straight couple but it is a lot more challenging and expensive not having that handy certificate that 'proves' us.
    And yet when I changed DS's surname to mine a year ago, I was told I'd have to pay for a whole new passport for him - he is my son taking on his mothers surname, doesn't get more legitimate than that! Grrrr apparently marriage trumps even immediate family!

    Sorry, off topic there but seriously the whole system of marriage bothers me in general.

    But that's only my opinion on the system of marriage - if others want to get married, for whatever reason that should be their right, no matter what shape, size, sexual preference (not that people should have to declair that IMO), as long as they are consenting adults then its got nothing to do with me.

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