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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    Umm, not all government spending is classed as welfare. Last I heard the things you listed are not welfare payments.

    I have no problem with people accessing welfare, I don't look down on them or want them to suffer some terrible fate or anything like that. I'm glad to live in Australia where we have such a great system that means people can get help when they need it. It just bugs me when I hear people say that those on welfare deserve the same things as someone earning an income. It just sounds a bit too much like my 5 year old neighbour who is constantly whinging "it's not faaaaair!".
    Of course it's not termed as welfare here, because people don't like to admit it's the same thing.

    In other countries its termed as welfare though. And terrible terrible socialism . Of course those on welfare deserve the same basic standard of living as those who are not on welfare. I'm also pretty well aware that not being on income support benefits is far better then being on them, most people know this and wish they weren't on them, hence that's why I work and study. I've experienced both ends of the spectrum.

    Im also very glad I live in Australia, but tat doesn't mean things can't be improved. As I showed earlier the more supports access and equity EVERY person in Australia receives the more likely they are to be able to contribute more to society. Seems like a no brainier to me.

    Also there's nothing wrong with saying something's unfair if it really is unfair. The argument you have used is a great way to silence people and try to shame them. Luckily however it doesn't work on me.

    A lot of the people whinging and saying " it's not fair" are in fact those who are lucky enough to not have their main source of income be from centre link. However they are happy taking welfare in other forms. Yet claiming how unfair it is that some people on benefits have the ability or means to get ahead no matter there circumstances.

    But hey whatever it takes to feel superior to others I guess.
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    Thank you for all your replies. When I asked the question I was meaning people that centre link is the majority of their only income, not ftb, ccr etc. it was a genuine question and I am so jealous of all you good budgeters out there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sockstealingpoltergeist View Post
    The argument you have used is a great way to silence people and try to shame them. Luckily however it doesn't work on me.....


    But hey whatever it takes to feel superior to others I guess.
    Another example of a great way to silence people and try to shame them...

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    Well no I don't get ahead on what I get from Centrelink I survive fortnight to fortnight on some parenting payment, ftb a &b and careers allowance. But we do manage to save a good chunk of dh income.

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    I think a lot of people don't actually realise what it is like out there for people looking for work. I've been on Newstart for 18 months (studying). I've been applying for jobs for the last 6 months and have had no luck so far. I sacrificed a lot to obtain a degree to better my chances of getting off welfare and still can't get a job. It's just not as easy as people make out and it is certainly not a 'lifestyle'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mama and her little bear View Post
    you said its not okay for welfare to 'fund' a lifestyle (such as staying at home with the kids) - well as a single parent I do stay at home with my kids so technically it is 'funding' a life style (if you can call it that)

    And I cant remember who it was that made the comment along the lines of her husband was rich because he worked hard and why should he throw away his hard earned dollars to fund someone else
    Well if you are just going to pick out certain bits instead of reading the whole thread. I also said numerous times of course I am not talking about people who are UNABLE to work. I'll say it again - I personally am talking about those people quiet capable of working/getting a job but CHOOSE not too.

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    Yet you think it fine to imply that anyone who doesn't agree with you are immature whingers. Pot calling kettle black.

    "It just sounds a bit too much like my 5 year old neighbour who is constantly whinging "it's not faaaaair!"."

    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    Another example of a great way to silence people and try to shame them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Yet you think it fine to imply that anyone who doesn't agree with you are immature whingers. Pot calling kettle black.

    "It just sounds a bit too much like my 5 year old neighbour who is constantly whinging "it's not faaaaair!"."
    The bit that you quoted from me had nothing to do with people disagreeing with my point of view.

    Perhaps you should go and re-read the relevant posts, what you have written doesn't make sense.

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    Of course there are people who abuse the system. In all walks of life there are people who abuse the system. That shouldn't be to the detriment of the majority who are doing the right thing.

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    It makes sense to me, you are saying someone else is being rude, while being rude yourself. That is how you are coming across, it may not be purposely done, but that is the way it sounds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    The bit that you quoted from me had nothing to do with people disagreeing with my point of view.

    Perhaps you should go and re-read the relevant posts, what you have written doesn't make sense.

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