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    I'm amused that because people who believe in the bible,believe that marraige started with Adam and Eve that the rest of us are supposed accept this as fact.

    Science tells us a different story. History shows us that all cultures and religions had forms of marraige, and to dismiss other people's marital beifs as not right or ok because you may believe it started with Adam and Eve is to me very exclusionary and dismissive.

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    I love how things are taken completely and utterly out off context on this thread at times ..... seriously people. Lets put my post about name change and the preceding post to the Australian public, even add all my other posts .... I doubt the majority would read into it such as a couple of replies since quoting my post


    Why did I marry my wife ... because I believe that for a man and woman to live together they should be married and yes I was a virgin when I got married. Even if I had not been I would have believed it wrong in the eyes of God to continue a relationship without getting married


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    Err.. I'm pretty sure I've seen you mention your ex wife in other threads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveTTC View Post
    I love how things are taken completely and utterly out off context on this thread at times ..... seriously people. Lets put my post about name change and the preceding post to the Australian public, even add all my other posts .... I doubt the majority would read into it such as a couple of replies since quoting my post


    Why did I marry my wife ... because I believe that for a man and woman to live together they should be married and yes I was a virgin when I got married. Even if I had not been I would have believed it wrong in the eyes of God to continue a relationship without getting married


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    Ooops sorry god! DP and I have been together for over 8 years and still not married...I'm in big trouble aren't I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moxy View Post
    Damn, meant to quote not thank.

    Following on by picking the most minor detail to focus on makes it dismissive in my view. Marriage is far more than a change of name for (random, made up statistic) 99% of the population I would have thought.
    I think many of my posts have been quoted on a minor portion and not only have they been dismissive some have been out right rude and offensive. Who is anyone to suggest I would support rape or woman beating.

    Taken I can see how some of my posts may have been taken outside of the context and meaning that I intended and I tried hard to rectify that.

    There is so much I could take issue with in this thread but do not.

    I may have some of the strongest views against same sex marriage of those who have posted on this thread but openly acknowledge it is not up to the church or churches to decide legislation nor should they take it upon themselves to try to influence it.

    All the misrepresentation of my quotes doesnt go to winning over someone of my view.

    I have tried to stick to what was raised by the OP and answer a few questions along the way with an occasional response to a point here or there


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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveTTC View Post
    I love how things are taken completely and utterly out off context on this thread at times ..... seriously people. Lets put my post about name change and the preceding post to the Australian public, even add all my other posts .... I doubt the majority would read into it such as a couple of replies since quoting my post


    Why did I marry my wife ... because I believe that for a man and woman to live together they should be married and yes I was a virgin when I got married. Even if I had not been I would have believed it wrong in the eyes of God to continue a relationship without getting married


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    I've read all your replies in the thread. The fact is that the last few replies in context of everything else you've said still leads me to believe that you don't view same sex relationships as having the same depth of feeling, love or worthiness as heterosexual relationships. At best they confuse you, at worst they disgust you. That's fine. You don't have to be in one. But to have your beliefs and those who agree with you dictate to others how their perfectly normal, acceptable and legal relationships should be validated, is arrogant and wrong.

    ETA: in fairness, you've been led like a lamb to the slaughter and I admire your staying power. Anyone who shares your views has absconded and left you to fight for yourself. Kudos to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gracie's Mum View Post
    Ooops sorry god! DP and I have been together for over 8 years and still not married...I'm in big trouble aren't I?
    And am I judging you for that

    No

    This thread was about peoples views and reasons, not about judging other people


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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveTTC View Post
    And am I judging you for that

    No

    This thread was about peoples views and reasons, not about judging other people


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    Didn't you state earlier that you viewed same sex relationships as 'unnatural'? Pretty sure that's judging other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moxy View Post
    I've read all your replies in the thread. The fact is that the last few replies in context of everything else you've said still leads me to believe that you don't view same sex relationships as having the same depth of feeling, love or worthiness as heterosexual relationships. At best they confuse you, at worst they disgust you. That's fine. You don't have to be in one. But to have your beliefs and those who agree with you dictate to others how their perfectly normal, acceptable and legal relationships should be validated, is arrogant and wrong.
    I dont dictate to others ... if people shared my view to the letter neither would they.

    I have steered clear of the feelings etc. I have no doubt that for same sex couples they have similar feelings, desires, commitment and problems faced by any other couple married or not.

    The OP did not raise the feelings of same sex couples and if they are the same or similar to M F couples.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sockstealingpoltergeist View Post
    I'm amused that because people who believe in the bible,believe that marraige started with Adam and Eve that the rest of us are supposed accept this as fact.

    Science tells us a different story. History shows us that all cultures and religions had forms of marraige, and to dismiss other people's marital beifs as not right or ok because you may believe it started with Adam and Eve is to me very exclusionary and dismissive.
    When I stated that I'd thought marriage began with Adam and eve it was not to dismiss other cultures. I know that many cultures have marriages, but when people have talked about marriage on bubhub before I've seen people say that marriage was around before religion. I'm trying to work out in my head how this works as any Christian will believe that religion (ie. Believing in God) was around since man first walked the earth and was created by God, variations have evolved as other religions have. I've tried to find information pertaining to the origins of marriage being outside of a religion, and haven't found anything, so I was asking the question to learn more about why some people believe that to be the case. So no, I'm not asking you to accept this as fact, I'm asking for more information regarding otherwise.

    I'm not using this as an argument against same sex marriage, I think I've said before I'm not against same sex marriage, I'm just trying to understand the delineation regarding church, legality and why religion keeps getting brought into the argument. I know people can get married with no religious grounds, I remember attending a wedding of a couple in a non denominational church for people who wanted to get married in a church but didn't believe in God. I thought that was an oxymoron.

    But if people of no religion can and do get married, why is religion in the argument?

    ETA: I wasn't meaning the couple of no religion were the oxymoron, nor was I saying they shouldn't get married.
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