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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    That's fine, you have every right to care about whatever you like. But other people might care more about *everyone* in society having access to areas that are suitable for their needs. One of those needs for many people is exercising and socialising their dogs off leash.
    ?? But there is access to areas that are suitable for everyone... and i would suggest a off leash dog park / off leash dog beach would suit those needs? Dogs do NOT belong in kids playgrounds / parks.

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    I was referring to the discussion that dogs don't belong off leash at all. I thought that was what beebs was referring to.

    ETA. Just went back and re-read the posts, it seems I was wrong. My apologies to Beebs. I think I just get my back up when I think people are being anti-dog.
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    I love dogs! But yeh I'd definitely have a problem with off-leash dogs in children's play areas. In fact I have a problem with people who can't/won't control their dogs in general.

    When I was a teenager & used to walk my family dog alone I really used to hate it when some out-of-control dog used to come barrelling up to me. Luckily they were friendly for the most part & just wanted to play, although there were one or two who growled etc but never attacked. It's just not a good feeling, even for a dog lover, and I can imagine it's terrifying for a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I am talking court yards, not backyards. And the sounds of unrelenting howling throughout the day tells me these dogs are not happy. Most court yards in the inner west are the size of my bedroom - I just don't see how that can possibly make for a happy big dog, little dogs that need no exercise sure, but big working dogs?
    I know next to nothing about dogs but I'm thinking along the lines of a yard/space appropriate for said dog(s). That might be a courtyard for a small dog or a large yard one for a number of larger, more active dogs.

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    No, I like dogs, I want a dog. But I am definitely not a "dogs at all costs" type of person. I don't buy the whole 'Dangerous breeds aren'
    t the problem, owners are the problem' type arguments, so I strongly disagree with dogs being off-leash at children's playgrounds. And strongly support enclosed dog parks and dog areas.

    I've had a dog that I trusted totally in the past, a great breed, that was rescued from the pound as a baby - she went mental at a toddler one day and if she hadn't been on the leash I have no doubt she would have mauled that baby, it was truly terrifying.

    It has made me realise, no matter what kind of dog, no matter who owns the dog, no matter how great the dog, at the end of the day they can be unpredictable and they are animals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    I was referring to the discussion that dogs don't belong off leash at all. I thought that was what beebs was referring to.

    ETA. Just went back and re-read the posts, it seems I was wrong. My apologies to Beebs. I think I just get my back up when I think people are being anti-dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busy-Bee View Post
    I know next to nothing about dogs but I'm thinking along the lines of a yard/space appropriate for said dog(s). That might be a courtyard for a small dog or a large yard one for a number of larger, more active dogs.
    Yeah I think the thing with yard size is not so much the size of the yard but whether the dog is given the appropriate amount of attention and exercise.

    Any size dog in any sized back yard will act up if they are ignored.

    Similarly, dogs can thrive in small outdoor spaces provided they are exercised and stimulated appropriately.

    I live in inner city Sydney and I'd say most of our street has a dog or two. Given the number of dogs I see being walked at all times of the day I'd say quite a lot of the suburb has dogs. I dot hear any howling during the day. There's barking, sure. But not incessant.

    I suspect this is because owners are conscientious about walking and stimulating them and (quite probably) access to the house because they can't just rely on yard size to entertain the dogs.

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    I have asked a mother with her kids at a park to leash her dog. She grunted at me and was obviously ****ed off but I don't care - it was all over the play equipment and coming up to my 4 month old in the pram. I would do it again. Not worth the risk and I don't care if I come across as a B.

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    Councils beware us mums are not happy our kids have a right to play and be safe in fenced playgrounds without dogs roaming around without a leash. Last week my friend's granddaughter aged 2 years standing next to nana at a fenced playground was thrown to the ground by a dog so out of character the owner didn't care less and the child is having nightmares every night nolw waking up saying no dog no dog!!!

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    I agree with Kimberly: if you don't have a decent backyard you shouldn't have a dog. I've seen dogs kept in apartments sometimes in 'crates' while they are toilet trained. I've seen dogs kept in tiny townhouses with only a small cemented area out the back: enough room for a crate to put them in. And yes I did report that house to the RSPCA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I feel the opposite. I feel frustrated when dog owners get annoyed at others not wanting to be around dogs. Not everyone is an animal person and that is ok too. I've had dogs in the past, and want to get one soon, but I get why some people aren't interested in being around dogs!
    I get it intellectually. Dd1 went through a phase where she was scared of dogs too. I guess I just am one of "those people" who genuinely believes dogs enriches children's lives and are worth the trouble getting kids to overcome their fears.

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