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    Quote Originally Posted by CicerFabaceae View Post
    That is no different to saying that people who get the baby bonus and family tax benefits that go up with each child keep having babies because of those payments. At the end of the day if you are having kids BECAUSE of any kind of government payment wether that be BB, FTA/B or maternity leave you are having kids for the wrong reasons.
    The baby bonus will soon be a grand for subsequent children, which I support. There is a huge gap between a grand for a woman whose husband works and pays taxes to a woman getting up to 75k in 6 months.

    My main concern is how are we going to fund this? If we can't afford 3k for BB, how can we afford a scheme that potentially to up to almost 30 times that amount?

    And I agree with you, I don't actually think either rich or poor have kids just for the money. But what I see happening is that the wealthy will have the money to have that extra one or two children they wanted, while the poor and middle can't.
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    I'm pretty sure we are not talking about families with a $300k income here. That would be very few families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    The baby bonus will soon be a grand for subsequent children, which I support. There is a huge gap between a grand for a woman whose husband works and pays taxes to a woman getting up to 75k in 6 months.

    My main concern is how are we going to fund this? If we can't afford 3k for BB, how can we afford a scheme that potentially to up to almost 30 times that amount?
    Apparently the top Aussie companies are getting taxed 1.5% to fund it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Apparently the top Aussie companies are getting taxed 1.5% to fund it.
    I'm pretty sure this is how it is done in European countries as well.

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    And it's important to remember it's not about rich vs poor it's about productivity and the economy. A woman who earns $150k a year is of enormous benefit to the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    I'm pretty sure we are not talking about families with a $300k income here. That would be very few families.
    Well not really. If a husband earns 150k and a wife earns 150k then that's 300k. Granted that's not everyone, but in the city particularly, I would say is far from uncommon.

    Gah I was meant to stop posting lol I really don't mean to stir up the hornets nest, honest. I really value the role of working mums and I support PPL. I just don't support a matching of high income wages that all

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    Well I'll add that I am considered a high income earner and I have had one child 3.5 years ago and haven't had another opportunity to have another one because of the economic climate and the pressures of being a female breadwinner. I save money to supplement my income in the hope that one day I do (hopefully) get to have another bub. This Lib scheme would certainly help me do that.

    Would the scheme be an incentive to have more than 1 more? No way. It's too important to keep working and one more break is all I intend to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CicerFabaceae View Post
    This is the Liberal ideology though, they are for big business, working people, not for the poor or disadvantaged. And for a woman who is earning 150k a year, she did not win the lotto, she probably set her eye on the prize and worked her *** off to get there, so I am not particularly down on her getting that recognised under this scheme.
    But that's an assumption, a woman earning 150k doesn't necessarily work harder (or less) or do more (or less) study than a woman earning 50k. Granted they are paying less tax on 50k, but she may work just as hard and has a HECS debt just as big. I just see this widening the income gap even more.

    Everyone stop quoting me

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    I think a scheme like this should be about affording all families the same opportunity to stay at home. It should enable to the majority of people the opportunity to do the same thing, this does not mean that people get $ for $ the same amount, they get the same opportunity. I think that is equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    I think a scheme like this should be about affording all families the same opportunity to stay at home. It should enable to the majority of people the opportunity to do the same thing, this does not mean that people get $ for $ the same amount, they get the same opportunity. I think that is equality.
    Opportunity equality. You are my new favourite hubber
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