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    Sweden pays around 60% tax in the higher brackets though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetseven View Post
    Since people were talking about other countries, I thought I would mention what my brother and his wife received in Sweden.

    When their son was born, she received 18 months maternity leave at 80% pay. Once that was complete (ie when the child was 18 months old) then my brother got to take his paternity leave. He had the choice of either six months leave at full pay, or twelve months working half time at full pay.
    This is a bit more like it! I've also heard that men opting out of taking their whole maternity leave is frowned upon. I think we have a long way to go in truly valuing family as a pillar to a successful society. This is a step towards that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Sweden pays around 60% tax in the higher brackets though?
    Precisely. Here in Australia we seem to expect the best of Scandanavian style of social support/welfare, be we are as phobic of paying taxes as the US. We can't have it both ways. A maternity leave scheme like the one Abbott is proposing is not compatible with our tax rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetseven View Post
    Since people were talking about other countries, I thought I would mention what my brother and his wife received in Sweden.

    When their son was born, she received 18 months maternity leave at 80% pay. Once that was complete (ie when the child was 18 months old) then my brother got to take his paternity leave. He had the choice of either six months leave at full pay, or twelve months working half time at full pay.
    Sweden is also one of the highest taxed countries at nearly 50% of your income as well as the value added tax

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialPatrolGroup View Post
    Precisely. Here in Australia we seem to expect the best of Scandanavian style of social support/welfare, be we are as phobic of paying taxes as the US. We can't have it both ways. A maternity leave scheme like the one Abbott is proposing is not compatible with our tax rates.
    On what basis is it not affordable. http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o...o-see-numbers/

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fox View Post
    On what basis is it not affordable. http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o...o-see-numbers/
    Well firstly, I didn't use the word affordable. I said that I believe it is incompatible with our tax rates. I am happy to be taxed at a much higher rate in order for everyone across our society to benefit from more comprehensive support. The costing for this policy have not been released in full, and I am not convinced that it adds up, and neither is the link that you have shared.

    Please don't misunderstand me - I do believe in paid parental leave which recognises that a stay at home parent can be at a financial disadvantage which lasts into retirement. I also recognise that it is beneficial to the country to have enough children and young people to offset the cost of an ageing population. I believe a lower threshold for a full payment after which it reduces by so many dollars per $1000 of income over a set amount is more realistic and no more complex to administer than any other income support payment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialPatrolGroup View Post
    Well firstly, I didn't use the word affordable. I said that I believe it is incompatible with our tax rates. I am happy to be taxed at a much higher rate in order for everyone across our society to benefit from more comprehensive support. The costing for this policy have not been released in full, and I am not convinced that it adds up, and neither is the link that you have shared.

    Please don't misunderstand me - I do believe in paid parental leave which recognises that a stay at home parent can be at a financial disadvantage which lasts into retirement. I also recognise that it is beneficial to the country to have enough children and young people to offset the cost of an ageing population. I believe a lower threshold for a full payment after which it reduces by so many dollars per $1000 of income over a set amount is more realistic and no more complex to administer than any other income support payment.
    Sure the article said that it would only be able to definitively confirm the assertion until full costings have been released, but they also confirmed that based on the figures given by the coalition it is fully costed.

    I truly do not see the rationale for having a lower income threshold for this payment. There are plenty of women who are the breadwinners in their household, and plenty more women would be able to achieve higher incomes if they werent materially disadvantaged when they had children.
    I dont see the validity in the argument that PPL should be capped at a much lower threshold.
    The higher the income the higher the outgoing expenses are usually. If you have the woman earning $130,000 a year then chances are that money is not just disposable income.
    The argument that they should be able to self fund their own maternity leave based on their capacity to earn and save is flawed. What about a young family on an average income who are living rent free or already have their house paid off. How is it fair or just that the family with lower income gets PPL even though they have higher disposable income then the family on the higher income with less disposable income.
    Judgments about each individuals spending habits aside, the fact is the woman on the higher income could be more disadvantaged having a child then the woman on the lower income.
    If you are going to have a PPL system in place then it needs to be fair for everyone.

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    I just think this entitlement is being unfairly categorised as welfare when it is not

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    I love the idea and think it's long overdue. My only concern is being fully funded by the government. Surely a plan for business to gradually increase their contributions towards ppl over the years would be much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfish30 View Post
    I love the idea and think it's long overdue. My only concern is being fully funded by the government. Surely a plan for business to gradually increase their contributions towards ppl over the years would be much better.
    It is mostly funded by big business through an increase in the company tax by 1.5%
    I dont think it should be funded by all the business, it would make it far too difficult and costly to run business in Australia.
    As a small business owner, there is no way we could foot the bill for 6 months paid leave as well as the increase in super.
    If you make it too hard and expensive to do business in Australia then more jobs will move offshore.

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