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    Sometimes the system does get it wrong. Not saying it is so in this case.

    Kiesha Abrahams comes to mind and that little boy thrown in a lake in a suitcase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    This is what I'm grappling with, surely they had contact with mchn, gps etc over this time....
    But if she was that depressed she may not have been taking them to their mchn appts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Sometimes the system does get it wrong. Not saying it is so in this case.

    Kiesha Abrahams comes to mind and that little boy thrown in a lake in a suitcase.
    Yep I agree I guess I'm finding the prolonged nature of this pretty disturbing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabella View Post
    Yes, the system only works when people report their concerns, but I wonder about their GP, and more importantly their Maternal Health Nurse. They just seem to have slipped through the net somehow....
    With these sort of cases the parent/s actively avoid GP's, MHN's etc. They are mandatory reporters, and had they seen these children, so obviously malnourished, they would have notified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    But if she was that depressed she may not have been taking them to their mchn appts...
    An utter tragedy.

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    Oh that is easy - when I was in a really bad way, I didn't follow up with MCHN's or GPs, didn't go to mothers group etc. It's easy to do.

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    I'm out, I can't think about this anymore. It's just too awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    That is your opinion. I think it is naive to assume that when a person suspected of being mentally ill does something wrong ... then what they did wrong is always 100% attributable towards their illness. The fact that psychiatrists are debating the extent to which the lady was mentally ill.. I think supports my view that character flaws *may* also have played a part. The fact the lady was convicted of manslaughter suggest to me that the court agrees she was somewhat culpable.

    I know it must be hard to understand that someone understands mental illness but has chosen not to care once that illness has passed a certain point (the death of children).
    Hey VP..
    If you ever really want to understand mental illness I'm happy to chat. I'm very open about what I have been through even though it is one of the most shameful and darkest periods of my life.
    I read the part where the psychiatrists argue the brisbane mum has moments where she plays computer games, feeds her older kids etc so can't possibly be severely depressed.

    All through my illness I had trouble finding someone to help me because I still looked "okay". I still showered, brushed my teeth/ hair, put on make up. My kids were still obviously cared for. They were clean, fed, not distressed or neglected in obvious way. And yet almost everyday I would fight depressive thoughts and feel like there was no other option but to take my life and to stop my babies suffering I would take them too. Normal people don't think that.

    I guess my point is like with everything in life, mental illness can manifest itself in many different kinds of ways. Your not bat sh*t crazy every minute of the day. Some days I did actually cope okay, some days I was acutely aware of how "not right in the head I was" and the guilt, shame and fear would often drive me deeper into depression. Some days I was so close to the edge a breeze would have blown me over.

    ive said it before. I never looked depressed.. And that was probably my biggest hurdle to finding help. I look like a "together" mum. If god forbid I hadn't have gotten help and done something unimaginable to myself or my babies I'm exactly the kind of mum that would be burned at the stake in the media. I'm the perfectly dressed mum at school pick ups that everyone on here bishes about. I'm the mum that lives in a nice house, whose dh earns good money, drives a SUV, who has a cleaner and had a nanny...... And even with all of this, I still got PND. Because mental illness doesn't discriminate who it targets.

    When my family finally realised (and it took a long while) that I was so dangerously unwell. I was lucky enough to have them find me the best hospital and psychiatrists, dh hired me a cleaner and a nanny and payed for me to attend a mental health day program to learn coping strategies.

    I dare say that poor brisbane mum didn't have anyone in her life that cared enough to step up and point her in the right direction and sadly it sounds like she also never had access to the same quality mental health care that was afforded to me. I think she was let down on so many levels and while I suspect she may suffer for the rest of her life, I hope she finds some kind of peace and forgiveness for herself. Her babies never should have died and they probably wouldn't have if someone had of helped her sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Sometimes the system does get it wrong. Not saying it is so in this case.

    Kiesha Abrahams comes to mind and that little boy thrown in a lake in a suitcase.
    I agree, they do sometimes get it wrong. But a common scenario when children die that are known to the dept happen like this - notification is made due to drug use/neglect etc. Dept steps in and takes the child. Parent gets into rehab, does parenting classes and gets their act together. After 6 months of sustained change, and given family reunification is the ultimate goal, the child is returned on short visits. They go well so the child is returned full time. The dept then has a case worker visit the family for another 6 months. Parent is still passing drug screening. There is food in the cupboards. They close the case since it's impossible to keep everyone permanently on the books. 3 months later things regress badly. The child dies. Then everyone blames CP.

    Due to privacy laws the dept cannot give out info when deaths occur as to the nature of their involvement. But there is often far more context and info involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    With these sort of cases the parent/s actively avoid GP's, MHN's etc. They are mandatory reporters, and had they seen these children, so obviously malnourished, they would have notified.
    Yes, which is why any non attendance/compliance should be a big red flag that something is wrong. As a mother, I would never miss these appointments. I would see this as a big warning sign that things were not going well. Our MCH nurse will even visit our home if she has any worries. Once I couldn't make an appointment as our car broke down, and when I called to explain she organized to come and visit the next day.
    I am high risk, and I guess she just wanted to make sure I wasn't hiding anything or avoiding her.


 

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