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    The Liberal party actually started out with a more liberal ideology, but have moved further & further right over the years. Some, like Malcolm Fraser, have left the party in disgust & become much more left wing as they've become "older & wiser". It seems quite common so Father's assertion of the opposite has little basis, from my observation.

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    And it refers more to economic liberalism than social liberalism. Free market, freedom of choice, small government etc.

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    Yep. Libertarians are actually very conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peoniesarepretty View Post
    The Liberal party actually started out with a more liberal ideology, but have moved further & further right over the years.
    Sadly so has Labor, and I'm not liking it. Although I think that's why I like Rudd, he's far more left then Gillard. He supports gay marriage, he wants to restore the loss of payment to single parents. IMHO he has more grass roots labor values. Love or hate him, I think that is true. Although..... his boat people stance I'm not liking. I believe Labor has lost their way the last 10 years, and they are merging more and more to the right. I don't like that.

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    If anyone needs more proof that Abbott is a neanderthal;

    What was largely missed, however, was Mr Abbott’s description of Indigenous women when addressing the Garma Festival last weekend. Indigenous women were “cowering in their houses or their huts”, unempowered and fearful, and unable to participate in the decision-making processes that affected themselves, their families and communities. This foul potpourri of racism, paternalism and sexism has been completely ignored by the main****** media, with the notable exception on Louise Taylor in The Guardian.

    Mr Abbott was at the Garma Festival to announce his new Indigenous advisory body. During his speech he said, "Here in the Territory, we’ve had a lost generation ... kids didn’t go to school, adults didn’t go to work. The ordinary law of the land didn’t apply. Women cowering in their houses, or in their huts, in fear of what some drunken relative might do."

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1...scape-scrutiny

    There are no words...

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Sadly so has Labor, and I'm not liking it. Although I think that's why I like Rudd, he's far more left then Gillard. He supports gay marriage, he wants to restore the loss of payment to single parents. IMHO he has more grass roots labor values. Love or hate him, I think that is true. Although..... his boat people stance I'm not liking. I believe Labor has lost their way the last 10 years, and they are merging more and more to the right. I don't like that.
    Rudd is WAY more right wing than Gillard. Way more.

    He just happens to be far more willing to prostitute himself for votes and Gillard proved she wasn't a strong enough leader to allow her Labor Left position to dominate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyBlackett View Post

    He just happens to be far more willing to prostitute himself for votes and Gillard proved she wasn't a strong enough leader to allow her Labor Left position to dominate.
    I see it in a different way. Gillard didn't listen to her voters. She kept making decisions that weren't popular to her core voting base. Rudd is listening.... mainly lol so I suppose it can be seen in different ways - Gillard as being someone that held to her convictions despite being unpopular - or that she didn't listen to labor voters. Rudd could be seen as a brown noser wanting to get relected.... or as a leader that wants to speak for his voters.

    His boat people stance really makes me wince though. I don't agree with that. But then I'm really excited that under Rudd we may actually see marriage equality in Australia.

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    IMO it depends on your education/occupation (and your location) as to which way you vote.

    I can't say for sure that more education means people vote labor. Look at the blue ribbon liberal seats in Sydney and the constituents would be very well educated and very well off (which would be part of the reason they would vote liberal IMO.) I did get flamed for saying that once on here

    But then, if you look at other occupations then I would think you could guess who majority of teachers and nurses would vote for. They're educated as well.

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    Yeah but she didn't listen to her core base because she was overwhelmed by the power of the Right in the party.

    And to be fair to her - I think the caucus, ministry and cabinet probably over-compensated post-Rudd in terms of demanding consultation and consensus. That would have hamstrung her quite significantly.

    But I think if she had had a strong vision it may have played out differently.

    Anyway - you know I really dislike Rudd so I will stop ranting

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    I think it often depends on the trade. Social workers, teachers, nurses are well educated and usually intelligent yet are usually left. But then lawyers, business analysts or say doctors often tend to be right.

    People usually gravitate to a trade that fits their world view, and they vote on that basis.


 

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