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    Quote Originally Posted by mama and her little bear View Post
    its not just caffeine, my point is that at THIS point in time one has to TRUST the mothers word, we dont have regular screening etc so we just have to trust the mum when she says she does not follow risky behaviours, does eat well etc etc etc.
    And women are so untrustworthy. Especially the lactating ones.

    Thankfully we have the formula companies to rely on, cos they are completely ethical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles10 View Post
    And women are so untrustworthy. Especially the lactating ones.

    Thankfully we have the formula companies to rely on, cos they are completely ethical.
    Apart from trust, there's also the fact that sometimes people don't know what they're carrying so without screening no matter how close you might be or how much you might trust another person's word, I don't think you can be 100% sure.

    So I'd go formula based on that and the fact that I find formula a perfectly acceptable option and not something I feel I need to "resort" to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Milk banks charge a fee (as a "donation") and it works out about $8 per bottle.
    I do t have a prob giving DD formula when needed (if I'm out of ebm and have to miss her feed) but I'd prefer donor milk if it were screened and affordable.
    I know you can home pasteurise though, and I'd use donor milk from a friend or relative if that were an option.
    I must have dealt with a really crap milk bank then as it was a lot more than $8 per bottle (unless it was like 10ml/bottle)

    2 prem babies - DD (first born) used donor milk (2 months) with whatever EBM I got, then prem formula then formula.

    DS - 2 weeks of donor milk with whatever EBM then 4 weeks of prem formula/EBM. Then just formula. Unfortunately the on going cost of donor milk wasn't in our budget this time around.

    I personally wouldn't use donor milk unless from a milk bank. I think formula is a fine alternative, however it is not my preference, just circumstance.

    KnockKnock... Have you seen the study from Stamford UNI re: co-bf? You should be able to YouTube it, it's very interesting and had lots of info to 'trick' your body into producing milk. (Didn't really help me but LC's rave about it). Good luck with that part of your journey when it comes along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles10 View Post
    And women are so untrustworthy. Especially the lactating ones.

    Thankfully we have the formula companies to rely on, cos they are completely ethical.
    Some women are concerned about the risks of using donor milk. Why belittle and make light of what I consider, very valid concerns? There is no right or wrong answer here. If you had the chance to use it, you would. Many of us wouldn't.

    Not everyone has the same standards of what is ok, nor is everyone honest. When I was pg with my first I visited someone and met their flat mate who had a 4-5 month baby. As soon as she saw my belly she questioned if I would be bfing and went into this 15 min rant about formula and how crappy mums were for using it. When she left the room the friend apologised and told me quietly that she got blind rotten drunk pretty much every night and bf, often while sculling a drink. She also told me this women's teen DD has just had a baby herself and was bfing her grandchild with 'top ups' as the DD had low supply - again while drunk.

    In her eyes (and in many others) bm full of alcohol is better than formula. So if there was a milk bank I fully believe she would have donated her milk. Sorry but there is no way possible I would want that milk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles10 View Post
    And women are so untrustworthy. Especially the lactating ones.

    Thankfully we have the formula companies to rely on, cos they are completely ethical.
    Because breastfeeding makes you a saint? I don't understand what you mean by this. Plenty of women breastfeed while partaking in activities I would not like my children to be exposed to. I know people who smoke and drink while bfing, even one who took recreational drugs.

    I get that formula companies are all apparently evil, however they are also regulated.

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    Purely out of interest - how well stocked are milk banks? What level of demand can they accommodate?

    I guess it would be a big step forward if every mother had the option to include fully screened breast milk in their choices when deciding how to feed their child but it doesn't seem like that is a viable option at this stage?

    Some people have access to a private source of breastmilk but the large majority of women don't.

    Given the relatively scant supply of publicly available breastmilk I think I would prefer it to go to premies or babies with a very particular need than my own - hypothetical - child who would thrive just as well on formula.

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    I would give formula. The only donor milk I would consider would be from immediate family ie sister. To rely on donor milk solely sounds too much of a hassle and not in abundance of supply. if bubs happen to not finish a full bottle you would have to throw it out bc you can't reheat it. With formula it's so much easier to make a new bottle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles10 View Post
    And women are so untrustworthy. Especially the lactating ones.

    Thankfully we have the formula companies to rely on, cos they are completely ethical.
    Since when did lactating mean a person is more trustworthy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles10 View Post
    And women are so untrustworthy. Especially the lactating ones.

    Thankfully we have the formula companies to rely on, cos they are completely ethical.
    There are untrustworthy people out there, some of them also happen to be lactating mothers, and some of those lactating mothers might donate their breast milk to a bank.

    Even if we assume that every single lactating woman who donates her milk is operating under full disclosure (in regards to consumption of cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, etc), there are other facets of their lifestyle that affect their breast milk.

    They could have a questionable diet - heck, they could eat Maccas for breakfast, lunch and dinner every single day and think it's perfectly fine. Which may well be for them personally, but I think that a majority of us would agree that we don't want our infants exposed to all of that through their main source of nutrition. They could drink a 2L bottle of coke a day - some babies can't handle even small doses of caffeine.

    As the above poster said, they could also be unknowingly be carrying something that can be passed through the breast milk.

    Babies have allergies and intolerance to all sorts of things. Donor milk doesn't come with an ingredients list. I believe that's where the hesitation comes from. The fact that you just don't know. Unless you're getting your milk from a trusted source - a friend, family member, or a milk bank that has steady regulations and proper screening practices - you do have to put a lot of trust in the individual.

    And honestly, that's very difficult for a lot of people in inconsequential every day situations, let alone when it comes to feeding our babies. Just check out the judgement threads!

    Ethical or not, formula has one big benefit - it's regulated.

    Since I didn't actually answer the question in my earlier post, I'd 'resort' to formula. I believe that breast milk is important for babies, but I don't think it's the end-all be-all. For me, donor milk just isn't practical.
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    I too have been there and used formula. I'll very pro bf and successfully bf 2 of my children but I just couldn't get my youngest to attach correctly. We are both much happier using formula.


 

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