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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubmum View Post
    Amiedoll, i posted this because my earlier post where I expressed concern at the actions of formula companies was deemed a whole load of things, when in fact it was ... for want of a better word, factual. People are allowed to give their reasons as to why donor milk is not acceptable, so it is fair to say why formula is not 100% safe. If formula wasn't seen as "the" go to, and breast milk, let alone donor breast milk was more supported, then families would have more choices. You can't demand an option and not support the alternatives and then wonder why the service isn't being provided.
    I think most people were somewhat put out by your comment about losing sleep over worrying about poor formula fed babies! Even if you're worried about the actions of formula companies, it was slightly melodramatic. And I am sure no FF mother would want you losing sleep over their undoubtedly happy and well nourished baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amiedoll View Post
    I already 'resorted' to formula
    I don't mind using cows milk derivatives either, its no worse than what I have on my cereal every morning. I don't really like the whole milk from another mammal saying, it seems somehow disrespectful to the cows (and underplaying the role they serve in our society, we wouldn't be where we are now if not for cows/farming). It just rubs me the wrong way I guess because we use it everyday that it just seems an odd thing to say (I'm obviously aware that some people don't use it, but a huge percentage of people do use it everyday, so I'm generalizing ).
    Anyhow that's my random tangent for the day
    All that said I will be trying breast feeding my second, if it doesn't work out I will use formula again with no guilt, it worked well for my DD. If donor milk was properly screened and readily available I would use that, as it stands now I wouldn't unless I knew the donor very well.
    As funny as your point sounds about disrespecting the cows I really understand where you are coming from. Cattle has provided much source of nutrition for rich and for poor for thousands upon thousands of years.

    And unless you are a vegan and eat and drink absolutely no animal products the "cows milk is for cows" argument is grossly hypocritical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    I think most people were somewhat put out by your comment about losing sleep over worrying about poor formula fed babies! Even if you're worried about the actions of formula companies, it was slightly melodramatic. And I am sure no FF mother would want you losing sleep over their undoubtedly happy and well nourished baby.
    You have dramatised my words in an entirely ridiculous fashion..I said nothing about "poor formula fed babies" It is an awful tragedy that babies die because of something that has been fed to them in an innocent manner by their parents. Some people choose not to buy products because they care about the baby orangutans. Well, I care about human babies, and don't like to line the pockets of the companies that have no thought towards their health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubmum View Post
    You have dramatised my words in an entirely ridiculous fashion..I said nothing about "poor formula fed babies" It is an awful tragedy that babies die because of something that has been fed to them in an innocent manner by their parents. Some people choose not to buy products because they care about the baby orangutans. Well, I care about human babies, and don't like to line the pockets of the companies that have no thought towards their health.
    Thank god people like you exist to care about the human babies! Lol.

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    And just to point out the irony of you telling me that I had over dramatised your words in a ridiculous fashion, I have pasted your original post below. And will let it speak for itself.

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    I personally have sleepless nights when I think that people rely on a company /companies that have been proven to be "evil" to feed their children. Babies in China dying from tainted formula...the echo effect here and in other countries are the limits being placed on the amount of formula you can buy, as a black market has erupted. What would you do if you just can't get to that precious can..stranded in a broken down car, trapped on a roof in a flood. The UN has a massive project underway to get Mothers in developing countries to get babies back on bm, and off of the formula. Because it isn't safe.In those regards, the companies are purely evil...risking the lives of babies for a profit...probably the vilest thing a human being can.do. END QUOTE

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    Yep, nothing in there about "poor formula fed babies". And nothing attacking families or Mothers, as was suggested..just facts, and my own concern. And the "evil" was from a previous post. Once presented with a theme, it's best to roll with it. So thanks for posting that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubmum View Post
    Yep, nothing in there about "poor formula fed babies". And nothing attacking families or Mothers, as was suggested..just facts, and my own concern. And the "evil" was from a previous post. Once presented with a theme, it's best to roll with it. So thanks for posting that..<img src="images/smilies/cheerleader1.gif" border="0" alt="" title="cheerleader1" smilieid="139" class="inlineimg"
    Oh dear. I didn't say I was quoting you when I mentioned poor formula fed babies so not sure why you're labouring that point.

    I was merely saying that was what myself and countless others felt the post implied. But I'm sure we are all wrong and just misinterpreted your intelligent and well thought out response to the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amiedoll View Post
    I already 'resorted' to formula
    I don't mind using cows milk derivatives either, its no worse than what I have on my cereal every morning. I don't really like the whole milk from another mammal saying, it seems somehow disrespectful to the cows (and underplaying the role they serve in our society, we wouldn't be where we are now if not for cows/farming). It just rubs me the wrong way I guess because we use it everyday that it just seems an odd thing to say (I'm obviously aware that some people don't use it, but a huge percentage of people do use it everyday, so I'm generalizing ).
    Anyhow that's my random tangent for the day
    All that said I will be trying breast feeding my second, if it doesn't work out I will use formula again with no guilt, it worked well for my DD. If donor milk was properly screened and readily available I would use that, as it stands now I wouldn't unless I knew the donor very well.
    The reason I do use the "milk from another animal" line is because of conversations like two days ago a doctor told me I shouldn't be breastfeeding my daughter much longer, because most women wean at 12 months so I shouldn't keep feeding her (after I'd told him I will be breastfeeding her at least two years and am happy to do so) , then asked if I give her "regular" milk. That's why I do use the line because so many people (probably subconsciously) are more comfortable with human babies receiving what they perceive as "regular milk" (cows milk) or "normal milk" as my in laws call it (referring to formula) than human milk directly from their own mother (or expressed or donor milk)

    I mean no disrespect to cows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubmum View Post
    Yep, nothing in there about "poor formula fed babies". And nothing attacking families or Mothers, as was suggested..just facts, and my own concern. And the "evil" was from a previous post. Once presented with a theme, it's best to roll with it. So thanks for posting that..
    If you feel genuinely passionate about something and your intentions are to educate and discuss an issue that is close to your heart then that is entirely your prerogative, but I would suggest finding an alternate way to articulate your point in future. Shock statements will never help your cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boobycino View Post

    I mean no disrespect to cows.

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    I'm going to lose sleep over the cows now

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