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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post

    My DF is 110kgs of solid muscle with hands like oars and arms that look like they belong on a blacksmith. Even his light taps are painful and on a small child it is possible would cause long term damage to them, even if it was a smack on the bum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvana View Post
    No it should not. How parents discipline their own children is their own business. Provided it isn't with a belt etc and just a smack on the bum, then I don't see the problem. Other parents may choose not to smack and that is their prerogative. But I do tire of the government interfering in the personal lives of it's people. I am the one that made the child, love and experienced the financial burden of having children. I won't have a government department telling me how I can raise them too.
    well said and totally agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsullied View Post
    Are you married to he-man?
    Lol. No. He has better fashion sense. I just have experience of his light taps.

    Eta: I think the thing to remember is that a child is still growing and is physically unformed. Their joints and muscles and bones are still growing and moulding and maturing. Their pain threshhold isn't that of an adult. They are tiny, growing humans who are easilly damaged.
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    I've not been in a position where it's been necessary, but what others do is surely up to them, within reason. There are clear guidelines to what is legal and what is not legal, so abuse under the guise of smacking wouldn't wash anyway. The government is trying to take over everything.

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    Yes. I absolutely believe that it should be against the law to hit children. To quote Louis CK, stand-up comedian, on hitting kids:

    I really think it’s crazy that we hit our kids. Here’s the crazy part about it; kids are the only people in the world that you’re allowed to hit. Do you realize that? They’re the most vulnerable and the most destroyed by being hit but it’s totally OK to hit them. And they’re the only ones! if you hit a dog they will put you in jail for that sh*t. You can’t hit a person unless you can prove that they were trying to kill you. But a little tiny person with a head this big who trusts you implicitly: ‘F**K ‘EM, WHO GIVES A SH*T! LET’S ALL HIT THEM!’ People want you to hit your kid. If your kid is making noise: ‘HIT HIM! HIT ‘EM!’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret of Cleo View Post
    I've not been in a position where it's been necessary, but what others do is surely up to them, within reason. There are clear guidelines to what is legal and what is not legal, so abuse under the guise of smacking wouldn't wash anyway. The government is trying to take over everything.
    Except it does wash. Quite often it does. Perhaps if smacking were made illegal(and parents who use smacking as a dicipline had more resources to learn other diciplinary measures) then the claims of child abuse would be taken more seriously and more things would be done about it?

    No, I'm not accusing people who smack their children as terrible parents who are child abusers. There are people who take it too far though under the guise of dicipline. And under the guise of a "smack". And how can the police tell the difference?

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    No it shouldn't be illegal, but I agree that it should become a less acceptable method of dicipline, in general.

    One thing I can see happening, if smacking should become illegal, is manipulative older childrenusing it as a threat against their parents in an impulsive way ie teen doesn't like being told what to do, so threatens mother with "I'm going to say you smack me". I don't think most people who give an occasional smack, are child abusers.

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    I would also like to make this very, very clear. The Government, is not 'interfering in the personal lives of people' when they are making an effort to keep our smallest, most vulnerable people of society safe. Making a law, that states it is illegal to hit children, just like it is illegal to hit adults, is not interfering. They are not trying to take people's rights away when it comes to parenting and discipline. What they are trying to do, is make physical punishment illegal. Just as it should be.

    Physical punishment of ANYONE should be illegal, and it is...except for when it comes to adults hitting children. And that, is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillynix View Post
    I would also like to make this very, very clear. The Government, is not 'interfering in the personal lives of people' when they are making an effort to keep our smallest, most vulnerable people of society safe. Making a law, that states it is illegal to hit children, just like it is illegal to hit adults, is not interfering. They are not trying to take people's rights away when it comes to parenting and discipline. What they are trying to do, is make physical punishment illegal. Just as it should be.

    Physical punishment of ANYONE should be illegal, and it is...except for when it comes to adults hitting children. And that, is wrong.
    I think this is something people should remember. If I see someone acting in an antisocial way in public, I am NOT allowed to hit them. I'm allowed to restrain them if they're a physical danger toward other people, but hit them no. If someone acts in an antisocial way in my home, I'm allowed to ask them to leave or have them eacorted from my premesis under police escort, but never hit them.

    Eta: I wonder if this crosses over to parents who "dicipline" their children in public? And by dicipline I have seen people take a smack to mean full arc, holding the childs shoulder, smacking their child on their bums so forcefully the child was propelled forward out of their parents grip. Then get another one for "running away". And no one could interfer because it was a smack. On the bum. But not abuse.

    How?
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    Someone mentioned earlier that assault is illegal anyway. So anything more than a light tap would be counted as assault, and is already illegal.

    I don't smack my children, but I also don't have a problem with parents who do (context dependent, of course). I was smacked as a child, and I bear no ill will toward my parents about it, and am okay with the fact that they used that as a form of discipline.

    I don't like the 'it's not legal for adults so shouldn't be for kids' argument. I can put my child in a cot/ house and not let them leave. If I did that to an adult it would be kidnapping/ deprivation of liberty. There are things that are appropriate for children that would be inappropriate for adults. I'm not arguing that I think smacking is a useful or appropriate means of discipline, but I don't think it warrants criminalisation either. Assault does (and is a criminal activity already).

    ETA - I also meant to say, that if I swatted DH on the bum, or slapped his hand away from stealing my food, or punched him on the arm in a playful way, then these things would not be counted as assault. You may say that's because (as an adult) he could consent. However, I can also imagine that if he went in to a police station and said "My wife swatted my hand away when I went to steal her chips, and I want to file a criminal charge" they would not take him particularly seriously. Big difference between assault and a swat/ smack.
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