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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Well when I get a working computer I actually intend to watch go back to where you can't from. The episode on Tuesday night is series 2 isn't it? I can watch series 2 before I've seen series 1....
    I'm really glad to hear that you are open to watching it.

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    More from Malcolm Fraser

    “If you really want to stop people, you’d establish a major processing centre in Indonesia with UNHCR.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...ags?CMP=twt_gu

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    Gah. Why is he saying all this now - and not when he was PM!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    More from Malcolm Fraser

    “If you really want to stop people, you’d establish a major processing centre in Indonesia with UNHCR.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...ags?CMP=twt_gu
    I actually agree with this idea. There's a lot of political risk for the Indonesians that would need to be carefully managed though ('foreigners' telling them what to do etc).

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    Why doesn't everyone just get off their high horses ( for those who are) and recognize we'd ALL do WHATEVER it took to get ourselves and our kids to safety.

    Whatever it took..

    It's way to judge from behind our computers in our comfy lounges in Australia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I actually agree with this idea. There's a lot of political risk for the Indonesians that would need to be carefully managed though ('foreigners' telling them what to do etc).
    Yeah same. I wonder if it's at all possible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyflower View Post
    Why doesn't everyone just get off their high horses ( for those who are) and recognize we'd ALL do WHATEVER it took to get ourselves and our kids to safety.

    Whatever it took..

    It's way to judge from behind our computers in our comfy lounges in Australia...
    Yeah, I am pretty sure I would do whatever it took to make sure my kids had a better life if I was fleeing persecution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I actually agree with this idea. There's a lot of political risk for the Indonesians that would need to be carefully managed though ('foreigners' telling them what to do etc).
    I agree, you are right though - the Indonesians especially don't like it when we try and "stick our oar in".

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Have a read of my clarifying comments a few pages back. I believe a majority of asylum seekers are fleeing terrible situations in their homeland. However I think it is naive to think economic prosperity isn't on their minds when they are paying a people smuggler to take them from south east Asia to Australia.
    Can I ask why it is bad that asylum seekers want to come here to enjoy the privileged lifestyle we do? Why is that so terrible? I wouldn't want to live in Indonesia as an illegal immigrant with no rights, no certainty, no education, no health care and no means to get ahead (ie buy a home etc) and no guarantee that I wouldn't be deported back to where I was fleeing from. Scraping together a life that even YOU said was crappy- just an existence. Who wouldn't choose life here over a life of fear and poverty? I'm really trying to understand why this is so incomprehensible to you??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Can I ask why it is bad that asylum seekers want to come here to enjoy the privileged lifestyle we do? Why is that so terrible? I wouldn't want to live in Indonesia as an illegal immigrant with no rights, no certainty, no education, no health care and no means to get ahead (ie buy a home etc) and no guarantee that I wouldn't be deported back to where I was fleeing from. Scraping together a life that even YOU said was crappy- just an existence. Who wouldn't choose life here over a life of fear and poverty? I'm really trying to understand why this is so incomprehensible to you??
    I understand why people would want to come here. However I do not believe economic advantage is sufficient reason for parents to risk the lives of their kids on rickety boats. I dont believe that the refugee situation in Indonesia/Malaysia is as bad as what people on BH claim. And I do not believe those who are safe from the persecution they fled (albeit in Indonesia/Malaysia) should be able to seek economic asylum in Australia by non traditional means. Australia can't afford to sponsor every economic refugee who wants a better life.


 

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