+ Reply to Thread
Page 41 of 80 FirstFirst ... 31394041424351 ... LastLast
Results 401 to 410 of 791
  1. #401
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,272
    Thanks
    946
    Thanked
    1,022
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 posts
    Yes, Carr is so reliable with his word! After stating that the majority of asylum seekers that have arrived are all economic asylum seekers...hmmmmmm....considering processing has only JUST begun after an 11 month hiatus and a majority of asylum seekers claims are yet to be heard, how on earth can he claim that they are all economic? He hasn't even heard their claims! But let's take his word for it!

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Kirst33 For This Useful Post:

    Atropos  (24-07-2013),beebs  (24-07-2013)

  3. #402
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    8,806
    Thanks
    7,267
    Thanked
    9,720
    Reviews
    5
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    To answer your first question - no.
    Your second - again, I would rather help those who did not have time to sell everything they own to fund a boat journey and those who did not have any possessions at all. I'm not sure why you find this so hard to understand. I want to help refugees, but I would rather help those who can't help themselves. We can't take them all.

    In regard to the background checks. Maybe you should right to Minister Carr and explain to him your more knowledgeable position on why they are all telling the same rehearsed story. Do you think that some of these asylum seekers aren't burning or destroying their passports? I would suggest that Carr would not accuse them of doing such without evidence, or do you have such distrust in the current government that you wouldn't believe them?
    Some people destroy their documents because its dangerous for them to be easily identified. Some don't have documents to start with. Some have to flee at short notice.
    What I find hard to understand is your implication that those on boats are less worthy of help than those that are in camps. You can't possibly know that one is in more danger or need than the other. As Bec pointed out, plenty of those in camps have no papers too. I realise we can't take them all, but we can take more than we do.

    I'm sorry, where exactly did I say I was more knowledgable than Mr Carr? How and why would I 'right' him?

    And why can you not have a discussion without being condescending or trying to put words in people's mouths??

    Drop the know all rubbish for a minute, it's tiresome and I'm pretty sure we are all heartily sick of it- be a human for a minute. You say you want to help asylum seekers. Ok- Explain to me how sending them to a third world country that has big social problems of its own including human rights abuses is an appropriate way to help them.
    Last edited by Atropos; 24-07-2013 at 14:05.

  4. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Atropos For This Useful Post:

    beebs  (24-07-2013),giggle berry  (24-07-2013),Kirst33  (24-07-2013),lambjam  (24-07-2013),Witwicky  (24-07-2013)

  5. #403
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    2,603
    Thanks
    126
    Thanked
    267
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    Yes, Carr is so reliable with his word! After stating that the majority of asylum seekers that have arrived are all economic asylum seekers...hmmmmmm....considering processing has only JUST begun after an 11 month hiatus and a majority of asylum seekers claims are yet to be heard, how on earth can he claim that they are all economic? He hasn't even heard their claims! But let's take his word for it!
    He didn't say 'all'.
    Are you saying that no one is burning or destroying their passports? I would like to see figures on how many arrived by boat with and without passports, and then see how many of them actually flew to Indonesia using passports. I think it would be very telling.

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to Father For This Useful Post:

    VicPark  (24-07-2013)

  7. #404
    Ana Gram's Avatar
    Ana Gram is offline 2008 WINNER - straight shooter award
    Winner 2008 & 2009 - Community Minded thread
    Winner 2009 - Mod Award - most passionate member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    18,597
    Thanks
    1,028
    Thanked
    3,125
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 postsRuby Star - 15,000 posts
    The study done by Pedersen, Watt and Hanser, 'The Role of False Beliefs in the Community's and the Federal Government's Attitudes toward Australian Asylum Seekers' discusses the issue of politicians knowingly making false statements to the public about refugees and asylum seekers.

    If you can get a hold of it, it's worth the read.

  8. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Ana Gram For This Useful Post:

    Atropos  (24-07-2013),babycake  (24-07-2013),beebs  (24-07-2013),Busy-Bee  (24-07-2013),Kirst33  (24-07-2013),Witwicky  (24-07-2013)

  9. #405
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,272
    Thanks
    946
    Thanked
    1,022
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 posts
    I didn't say he said 'all.'

    Do you think they all enter Indonesia on real passports? Not forgeries or ones they bought?

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to Kirst33 For This Useful Post:

    Atropos  (24-07-2013)

  11. #406
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    8,806
    Thanks
    7,267
    Thanked
    9,720
    Reviews
    5
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    He didn't say 'all'.
    Are you saying that no one is burning or destroying their passports? I would like to see figures on how many arrived by boat with and without passports, and then see how many of them actually flew to Indonesia using passports. I think it would be very telling.
    Are you having trouble reading Father? Not one person, including Kirst33, has denied that documents get destroyed. Are you unable to read about the reasons why? I listed some for you.
    The numbers you mention- do you have them or are you just making assumptions?

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to Atropos For This Useful Post:

    beebs  (24-07-2013)

  13. #407
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,272
    Thanks
    946
    Thanked
    1,022
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 posts
    An excerpt from Najeeba's story that I posted previously from beebs' link of asylum seeker stories:

    'Najeeba was 12 when her family was smuggled out of Afghanistan and flown into Indonesia on fake passports...

    I am from an ethnic minority called Hazara. Hazaras still face massacres by officials and warlords in Afghanistan. There was no other choice for us than escaping the country and going to somewhere safe - we would not have survived there.

    When we left Afghanistan we didn't have any means of transport. Sometimes we had to walk barefoot, sometimes we had to get into a truck and hide within a truck, sometimes we were walking in the night. It was very difficult to get out of Afghanistan, but we finally got to Pakistan. From Pakistan we went to Indonesia and then to Australia by boat.'

    'Najeeba now lives in Western Sydney. She heads up the Hazara Women's Association, and is an ambassador for Amnesty International and Welcome to Australia. In 2010 she was a finalist of the Young Human Rights Medal Award. She has a Bachelor of Medical Science and is now studying a second degree.'

  14. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Kirst33 For This Useful Post:

    Atropos  (24-07-2013),beebs  (24-07-2013)

  15. #408
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    2,603
    Thanks
    126
    Thanked
    267
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Some people destroy their documents because its dangerous for them to be easily identified. Some don't have documents to start with. Some have to flee at short notice.
    Those that flew into Indonesia did have passports. Who were they to fear once on the boat that would drive them to destroy them? If I was seeking asylum, I would ensure that I have as much evidence as possible to support my claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    What I find hard to understand is your implication that those on boats are less worthy of help than those that are in camps. You can't possibly know that one is in more danger or need than the other. As Bec pointed out, plenty of those in camps have no papers too. I realise we can't take them all, but we can take more than we do.
    Fleeing for you life if fleeing for you life. I don't see that there is really much grey in that. You can't end up more dead than the other person.
    They are less worthy as they have money to be able to go places. Those who are stuck in camps with just the clothes on their back have absolutely no choice. I would much rather help those who are incapable of helping themselves.


    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    I'm sorry, where exactly did I say I was more knowledgable than Mr Carr? How and why would I 'right' him?
    You seem to think that there aren't any economic migrants arriving on boats in contrast to Mr Carr.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    And why can you not have a discussion without being condescending or trying to put words in people's mouths??

    Drop the know all rubbish for a minute, it's tiresome and I'm pretty sure we are all heartily sick of it- be a human for a minute.
    What have said that is inhuman? Just because I would rather help the more helpless than those who can help themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    You say you want to help asylum seekers. Ok- Explain to me how sending them to a third world country that has big social problems of its own including human rights abuses is an appropriate way to help them.
    They may have big social problems, but most countries do. The UNHCR does not require all refugees to end up in a first world country. Refugees just need to be safe from the persecution they were fleeing. Whilst they may prefer to end up in Australia (I don't blame them at all) that cannot not be achieved by all refugees for obvious reasons - we can't take them all.
    If PNG is not suitable for them, I would have to question exactly what they are fleeing from. If PNG is not suitable for any of them, then should we evacuate the current citizens of PNG and move the entire country here?

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to Father For This Useful Post:

    VicPark  (24-07-2013)

  17. #409
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    2,603
    Thanks
    126
    Thanked
    267
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    An excerpt from Najeeba's story that I posted previously from beebs' link of asylum seeker stories: '
    I don't see what telling individual asylum seeker stories does in this debate. It does not mean that all asylum seekers have similar stories - just as me telling a story of a scamming terrorist arriving through our refugee process would not mean that they are all the same.

    On a side note regarding that story, I find it interesting that they had the money to fly the whole family from Pakistan to Indonesia, and then catch a boat to Australia. That is a very expensive venture. As she said herself, it was very hard to get out of Afghanistan, but she made it to Pakistan with a large sum of money. Was she safe in Pakistan? Did she have to continue running? Why fly to Indonesia of all places?

    That story has just highlighted my point. I would rather help those that cannot afford international flights and boat trips. In my opinion, they need our help more.

  18. #410
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    2,603
    Thanks
    126
    Thanked
    267
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    I didn't say he said 'all.'
    Uuuhhmm. Yes you did.

    hmmmmmm....considering processing has only JUST begun after an 11 month hiatus and a majority of asylum seekers claims are yet to be heard, how on earth can he claim that they are all economic?
    Off to pick the kids up from school.


 

Similar Threads

  1. 4 corners - asylum seekers...
    By babyla in forum News & Current Affairs
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: 30-04-2013, 09:47
  2. Asylum seekers (frustration)
    By Witwicky in forum Social Issues
    Replies: 113
    Last Post: 19-08-2012, 14:38
  3. Zoo weekly exploiting asylum seekers. Sign the petition!
    By Ffrenchknickers in forum Social Issues
    Replies: 63
    Last Post: 23-07-2012, 15:40

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
free weekly newsletters | sign up now!
who are these people who write great posts? meet our hubbub authors!
Learn how you can contribute to the hubbub!

reviews
learn how you can become a reviewer!

competitions

forum - chatting now
christmas gift guidesee all Red Stocking
WaterWipes
Give your babies bottom a gift this Xmas! They are the only wipe made using just water and a drop of grapefruit seed extract and may help avoid nappy rash. Check out the great reviews on bubhub and see our website for more info and availability.
sales & new stuffsee all
True Fairies
True Fairies is the first interactive website where children can engage and speak with a real fairy through the unique webcam fairy portal. Each session is tailored to the child, and is filled with enchantment and magic.
Visit website to find out more!
featured supporter
Ro and Co
Ro and Co kids cooking classes and parties are a fantastic way for children to experiment with food. The classes and parties are designed to be both educational and fun, giving your child the skills they need to be confident and creative in the kitchen.
gotcha
X

Pregnant for the first-time?

Not sure where to start? We can help!

Our Insider Programs for pregnancy first-timers will lead you step-by-step through the 14 Pregnancy Must Dos!