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    We are going to look for jobs overseas.... Definitely if TA gets in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by risfaerie View Post
    Hideous. I get that he is trying to win back Western Sydney and other "Labor heartlands", but these are human beings we are talking about. Not mere statistics. I actually find it really distressing.

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    I find it distressing also. I honestly have a physical reaction to the way some people view out fellow human beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ffrenchknickers View Post
    I find it distressing also. I honestly have a physical reaction to the way some people view out fellow human beings.
    Same. And I actually feel sick listening to the tripe that people spew out in regards to this issue. This should not be an issue. It is bandied around every effing election.

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    I'm not personally concerned by the influx of boat people most of whom are found to be legitimate refugees who I agree we have an obligation to help.

    What does concern me greatly and causes me distress is those poor souls including babies and young children drowning at sea after being taken advantage of by people smugglers.

    It is a very vexed issue and I just don't think there is a simple solution. I can actually see some merit in this approach as an attempt to stop those tragic deaths at sea but I also share others concerns about the human rights of those attempting to seek asylum here.

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    Right, and what is his plan for all the real illegal immigrants- you know, the 50 to 100 thousand visa overstayers we are currently hosting? I mean, if this is what we are doing with the some of the most vulnerable people in the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DailyDiversion View Post
    I'm not personally concerned by the influx of boat people most of whom are found to be legitimate refugees who I agree we have an obligation to help.

    What does concern me greatly and causes me distress is those poor souls including babies and young children drowning at sea after being taken advantage of by people smugglers.

    It is a very vexed issue and I just don't think there is a simple solution. I can actually see some merit in this approach as an attempt to stop those tragic deaths as sea but I also share others concerns about the human rights of those attempting to seek asylum here.
    It's an enormously vexed issue. People smugglers are heinous.

    But this is just a blatant and pathetic attempt to win votes through politics of fear.

    People complain about Abbott - but at least under a Coalition government asylum seekers who are found to be refugees will be allowed to resettle in Australia.

    I am gobsmacked this got through his Cabinet. Gobsmacked. I guess it shows how desperate they are to win the election.

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    What.the.frck.
    I'm speechless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DailyDiversion View Post
    I'm not personally concerned by the influx of boat people most of whom are found to be legitimate refugees who I agree we have an obligation to help.

    What does concern me greatly and causes me distress is those poor souls including babies and young children drowning at sea after being taken advantage of by people smugglers.

    It is a very vexed issue and I just don't think there is a simple solution. I can actually see some merit in this approach as an attempt to stop those tragic deaths at sea but I also share others concerns about the human rights of those attempting to seek asylum here.
    I understand your sentiment and I believe it is exactly this sentiment which the government is exploiting with this policy.

    This policy will not stop people smugglers, people will still get on boats and risk their lives for a better life, they just won't come here. This policy will not stop the push factor nor the people smugglers.

    The only thing this policy does is shirk Australia's moral and legal responsibilities.

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    But if they are so damned committed to "stopping the boats", so worried about the dying kids in the water etc, why not make it ABOUT the boats? Why not make it about the people smugglers?

    Why funnel all that money into building bigger detention centres and bribing small countries to take our refugees when we could be putting it into investigating people smuggling and taking action against the smugglers themselves.

    Or, here's an idea - let's make it EASY to get to Australia. Let's offer refugees a safe, easy, option. Let's facilitate a pathway that doesn't involve desperate crossings to escape places where refugees are almost as vulnerable as they were in their home countries?

    Let's build our own freaking boats. Ferries! Make border control an actual reality - let's have a gateway in the Straits, nw WA, in Darwin. Let's HELP refugees to arrive in Australia, let's actually assume a moral, pro-immigration stance for once.

    If the argument is people's safety, how about we talk about helping them rather than stopping them?

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    In not sure I understand what all the fuss is about. Asylum seekers are fleeing dangerous places and getting resettled. So they don't get their first pick (Australia) but they still get to live away from the danger they were fleeing. What's so bad about PNG?

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