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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Thats a bit dramatic. The phrase "running for your life" becomes obsolete once the asylum seekers fly into Indonesia and Malaysia. At that point one could say it moves to "pushing to improve their lives."
    I personally don't think it could get any more dramatic. The phrase becomes obsolete when you get a life, settled with complete citizen rights.

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    From the UNHCR -
    Malaysian law makes no distinction between refugees and undocumented migrants. There are some 4 million migrants in the country, approximately 2 million of whom are undocumented and considered illegal. Refugees are vulnerable to arrest for immigration offences, and may be subject to detention, prosecution and punishment, including whipping and deportation. National NGOs have limited capacity to support asylum-seekers and refugees, while international NGOs face significant difficulties in operating in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    From the UNHCR -
    Malaysian law makes no distinction between refugees and undocumented migrants. There are some 4 million migrants in the country, approximately 2 million of whom are undocumented and considered illegal. Refugees are vulnerable to arrest for immigration offences, and may be subject to detention, prosecution and punishment, including whipping and deportation. National NGOs have limited capacity to support asylum-seekers and refugees, while international NGOs face significant difficulties in operating in the country.
    Gee, wonder why they arrive there and hop on to the first available boat.

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    Anyone who thinks that refugees just loll about country shopping and rioting over smart phones and the dole bludgers really should read this article. Full of inspiring people who were given second chance in this country - both boat arrivals and offshore visa applicants.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-2...ofiles/4036618

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Anyone who thinks that refugees just loll about country shopping and rioting over smart phones and the dole bludgers really should read this article. Full of inspiring people who were given second chance in this country - both boat arrivals and offshore visa applicants.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-2...ofiles/4036618
    Thanks beebs! It's nice to put faces to what often becomes a faceless political debate around policy instead of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairyfloss View Post
    They have a option of being resettled in a third country like New Zealand.
    I have now found confirmation of the third country plan, although it doesn't say New Zealand. Statements made by O'Neill confirm the third country plan but also make it quite clear that they don't have any intention of having refugees settle in PNG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    I have now found confirmation of the third country plan, although it doesn't say New Zealand. Statements made by O'Neill confirm the third country plan but also make it quite clear that they don't have any intention of having refugees settle in PNG.
    Can you link this article please??

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    http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/bre...721-2qcg5.html

    "Those found to have genuine refugee status will be resettled in Papua New Guinea and other participating countries in our region," Mr O'Neill said.

    "There is no guarantee of citizenship unless and until all the requirements of our residency and citizenship laws have been met."

    PNG citizenship can only be applied for after eight years of residency, and applicants must speak Tok Pisin, Hiri Motu or "a vernacular of the country, sufficiently for normal conversational purpose."

    PNG currently does not allow dual citizenship, and applicants must pay about $A4,500 in fees, as well as provide birth and marriage certificates.

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    So Mr. Rudd has effectively bought the prime minister of PNG with Australian tax payer money. And a lot of it.

    Wonderful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Thats a bit dramatic. The phrase "running for your life" becomes obsolete once the asylum seekers fly into Indonesia and Malaysia. At that point one could say it moves to "pushing to improve their lives."
    Because they're so safe in those countries???

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