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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairyfloss View Post
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226682507590

    half a way through the page, it reads
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    In the first test of the plan to send all boat arrivals to PNG, a boat carrying 81 suspected asylum seekers was intercepted off Christmas Island yesterday.
    They will be taken to the island for health checks and processing, before the single adult males are flown to PNG.

    If they are found to be refugees they will be settled in PNG or a third country.

    The government will not send women or children to Manus Island until suitable accommodation is built, and it will not split up families, so only single adult males will be transported to Manus Island."
    Is this the only reference? It is different to what the government has relayed in their information pack.

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    I am trying to find a blog post I read a couple months ago written by a woman that had arrived by boat, her story of why they arrived the way they did, why they had no documents, etc. But I can't remember the title so it's quite a google search!

    I did come across this ad from Amnesty International which is worth a watch.

    http://youtu.be/m3Yy14sX5mM

    Also, a few pages back somebody commented on how everyone continually comments on how little of the world's refugees Australia takes and it was a pointless comment because other countries are larger (population, livable land mass, etc).

    Australia has about 25 million people and took 15,800 refugees in 2012 (not the media reported 17,000). Sweden is smaller than Australia by population and land mass (only about 9 million people) and took 43,900 refugees in 2012. Austria I think we can agree is much smaller than Australia and also only has 8.5 million people, they still took more than Australia with 17,400 refugees in 2012.
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    I am not saying they don't have a right to apply for protection, all i am saying is that we should de-link the number policy, so method of arrival does not advantage/disadvantage those with heaps of money to spare and buy their country of choice verses those playing by rules.
    This comment represents the need for people to further educate themselves on how the system works and why. It is a human right to seek asylum. People should not be judged by how they're getting to Australia or other countries and that includes perceptions on whether people "jump the queue" or not. What is needed is proper and efficient assessment so that the facts can be established and utilised accordingly. I don't think this will happen in PNG but, again, until the govt releases its implementation proposal it's hard to know what will happen or whether there will be a High Court challenge that will change the course of this new policy. However, I find it particularly galling that someone claiming to be a refugee - a person who apparently demanded the right to asylum and took advantage of that same right - could be so sanctimonious and prejudicial about others in the same position as she says she was.

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    Let's just all remember that there's no queue etiquette when you're running for your life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Let's just all remember that there's no queue etiquette when you're running for your life!
    Exactly- as has been said previously, supermarket etiquette does not apply here

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Let's just all remember that there's no queue etiquette when you're running for your life!
    Thats a bit dramatic. The phrase "running for your life" becomes obsolete once the asylum seekers fly into Indonesia and Malaysia. At that point one could say it moves to "pushing to improve their lives."

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Thats a bit dramatic. The phrase "running for your life" becomes obsolete once the asylum seekers fly into Indonesia and Malaysia. At that point one could say it moves to "pushing to improve their lives."
    Boats do not just arrive from Indonesia and Malaysia.

    Also, again, Indonesia and Malaysia are not signatories of the convention, therefore asylum seekers have no rights or protection there.

    ETA: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1...from-Sri-Lanka
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    If anyone has a right to an opinion on this... If anyone knows what they are talking about its fairy floss.
    She knows what she is talking about when talking about refugee camps and the UNHCR process, but she quite obviously does not know about detention centres, because if she did, she wouldn't say they were rioting for smart phones.

    I don't consider myself a bleed heart. I do consider myself someone who can empathies.

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    Indonesia does not have any legal framework for refugees as well as not being signatories to the Convention. Asylum seekers are treated as illegal migrants and cannot work to support themselves or feed their families or send their children to school.

    People need to stop thinking of Indonesia from the view of Australia where most of our contact is through holiday resorts. Much of Indonesia has terrible poverty.

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    Vp - seriously, people tell you to watch and read things all the time - and it just seems to go in one ear and out the other. I don't expect you to read and watch stuff if you don't want to - but then why keep engaging in the topics - this post just shows how little you know about the entire situation. Refugees are considered illegal in Malaysia and Indonesia - they are often on the run from the authorities on the streets etc and if they get arrested some will never be seen again. Seriously -these are not places that hold human rights in any esteem.

    But let me guess, they escaped on country, so another country that doesn't value them as people should be good enough - right?

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Thats a bit dramatic. The phrase "running for your life" becomes obsolete once the asylum seekers fly into Indonesia and Malaysia. At that point one could say it moves to "pushing to improve their lives."

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