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    Yes, it will be popular to the majority who have been led up the garden path by phrases like 'queue jumpers'.

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    Because he is absolutely desperate to win back Western Sydney and he thinks by being even more hard line on asylum seekers than the coalition has ever been he will and he will then win the election.

    He's confident in the knowledge that left wing voters will still preference the ALP above the Coalition even if their primary vote goes to the greens. So the people he needs to win over are the swinging voters in the outer suburbs who believe in the great asylum invasion.

    He's couching it in terms of stopping the people smugglers - and that's something I support in principle - but he's actually just playing dog whistle politics.

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    I doubt it will work. People are desperate. So disappointed.

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    How is this inline with the Refugee Convention?????

    Australia - The Pariah Nation.

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    To be honest I find this all so confusing I don't know what to think.

    I 100% want Australia to support asylum seekers but do want people to stop dying trying to come here under such horrible conditions and people smugglers taking advantage of their desperation.

    Will this new policy stop people from coming here on boats? I doubt it... I am so grateful to be geographically "lucky" and cannot blame any genuine asylum seeker from trying to come here in any way they can.

    I would like to hear what others think a better solution would be?

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    Hideous. I get that he is trying to win back Western Sydney and other "Labor heartlands", but these are human beings we are talking about. Not mere statistics. I actually find it really distressing.

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    Just for the record in some countries there is no safe way to join the 'queue'. There is an average of 800000 people in the queue. If suddenly our government decided to set the Australian army onto anyone with an irish background (for example), I would do whatever it took to get my young family out of this country. My grandfather was irish. We'd no doubht b on boats headed to New Zealand. We could go Indonesia as we live in the north but I'd want the best for my family so would try NZ. With an average wait in a refugee camp of 17 years I would not b willing to do that to my family. Especially my 5 year old DD. Rape is a common occurrence in refugee camps. The only thing that will stop the boats is putting asylum seekers in a place that creates more fear then war, death, torture or starvation. I don't think even the Australian government is that inhuman.

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    Like it or not, I believe that there are ALOT of Australians who share his sentiments on the issue and it will sway alot of voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ck2b View Post
    Just for the record in some countries there is no safe way to join the 'queue'. There is an average of 800000 people in the queue. If suddenly our government decided to set the Australian army onto anyone with an irish background (for example), I would do whatever it took to get my young family out of this country. My grandfather was irish. We'd no doubht b on boats headed to New Zealand. We could go Indonesia as we live in the north but I'd want the best for my family so would try NZ. With an average wait in a refugee camp of 17 years I would not b willing to do that to my family. Especially my 5 year old DD. Rape is a common occurrence in refugee camps. The only thing that will stop the boats is putting asylum seekers in a place that creates more fear then war, death, torture or starvation. I don't think even the Australian government is that inhuman.

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    That's a remarkably effective example, ck2b. Talk about put the issue in sharp focus.

    We have no right. We have NO right to do this. Seeking asylum is not an illegal act; there is NOTHING in Australian law that prohibits people from seeking asylum here. The camps on the Australian continent were bad enough; now we are choosing to foist our responsibilities under the various international conventions onto a smaller nation.

    I have supported Labor my entire adult life, despite being unenthusiastic about several leaders, but now feel they have abandoned most basic platforms of social responsibility. It doesn't surprise me coming from Rudd, always a politician of convenience, but that others in the party allowed this to pass, desperate to hold on to positions of power ...

    Utterly gutted and betrayed.

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    I'm so disgusted I can't even respond.


 

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