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    Quote Originally Posted by wikidwitch View Post
    On a slight side note, I'm wondering if someone who willingly has a healthy limb removed would be eligible for government disability assistance?

    No judgements, just curious.
    I don't see why not. If you have a cancer that requires you to have a limb amputated, you'd be eligible. So why not a mental illness that requires the same? I don't think amputation means you are cured of your dysphoria though I imagine it is more manageable- but if you have to cut off your limb to manage your mental well being, I don't see why that wouldn't entitle you to some sort of assistance. Also, I have read about sufferers who were refused amputations who then went in to repeatedly self harm until the limb was rendered useless and needed to be amputated any way. There have also been cases of self-amputation, though this is very rare. My understanding is that such operations are usually performed after much psychiatric evaluation- and I would have to rather admire the dedication of someone who would go to the effort of fooling so many doctors and undergoing an amputation to reap a disability pension

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caviar View Post
    Gender dysphoria (again, the politics in mental health now means that you don't call it Gender Identity Disorder anymore) is regarded by psychiatry and other mental health fields as being a mental illness and a social health problem and is dealt with accordingly. When people identify with and convinced they should be the opposite gender to what they are born as, one of the first avenues prescribed to them is a date with a psychiatrist for assessment. As you know, in order to physically become another gender this involves a specialised drug regimen as well as the chopping off of body parts and remoulding them to resemble others. The involvement of psychiatry (in this country anyway) is required by law prior to any further "treatment" being taken such as specialised drug regimens and these "gender reassignment" operations. At this stage, gender reassignment operations in Australia are not permitted until the person is 18 although the Courts here have allowed children as young as 11 to commence drug regimens (in the case of children these are known as puberty blockers which means their body is not permitted to undergo its natural cycle and by design creates an environment where further drugs are introduced to force that body to become another sex). While I am all for self expression, I privately harbour some very serious concerns as to the wisdom behind such decisions regarding children for biological, physiological and psychological reasons. Cases in other countries such as the States have also indicated that after puberty there have been reversals in that the person no longer wants to be the opposite gender or something else again. So I honestly ask why then, is gender reassignment considered an okay thing to do and yet different to someone who is convinced that she should be without limbs considered with revulsion and horror? Studies have shown that a lot of people with gender dysphoria who have been permitted to live as their desired gender go on to lead happy lives. So why not chop the woman's legs off and let her lead the life she wants?
    I am ok with gender reassignment and ok with body dysphoria having limbs removed if they feel the need.
    Just in regards to gender reassignment, surgery is not actually necessary to live as the opposite gender. I know several trans people who are in varying stages and some have no intention of ever having genital surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wikidwitch View Post
    On a slight side note, I'm wondering if someone who willingly has a healthy limb removed would be eligible for government disability assistance?

    No judgements, just curious.
    I wondered that too. I guess if they had Body Integrity Identity disorder severe enough to the degree that a limb was actually removed, it's likely they would have already been on the disability pension for their mental illness. So it probably wouldn't change anything if that makes sense.

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    I think it's really strange, and I don't understand it, but I honestly don't see it as outrageous or anything. I don't think there's anything wrong with it removing a limb if you don't feel like it belongs there... people get bits of themselves removed or added to all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wikidwitch View Post
    On a slight side note, I'm wondering if someone who willingly has a healthy limb removed would be eligible for government disability assistance?

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    I hope not. The taxpayer shouldn't have to foot the after-costs of someone subjecting themselves to an Unecessary medical procedure. That's not treating an illness, it's pandering to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I hope not. The taxpayer shouldn't have to foot the after-costs of someone subjecting themselves to an Unecessary medical procedure. That's not treating an illness, it's pandering to it.
    Oh VP
    Open your mind just a little bit. I don't think you've done much research into the subject. I strongly suggest you get a copy of the book i mentioned earlier. Can you imagine what it must be like to feel that your own limb is not your own, but someone else's severed limb, following you around? Imagine the horror of feeling like you were stuck carting someone else's body part around with you permanently! It's a serious illness, and extremely rare. In many cases the medical procedure IS necessary for the sufferer.
    People subject themselves to unnecessary procedures all the time. What if routine liposuction went wrong and caused a paralysis of some kind- would you deny that person assistance too?
    I wish people would exhibit the same level of concern for fellow human beings that they do for their tax dollars!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Oh VP
    Open your mind just a little bit. I don't think you've done much research into the subject. I strongly suggest you get a copy of the book i mentioned earlier. Can you imagine what it must be like to feel that your own limb is not your own, but someone else's severed limb, following you around? Imagine the horror of feeling like you were stuck carting someone else's body part around with you permanently! It's a serious illness, and extremely rare. In many cases the medical procedure IS necessary for the sufferer.
    People subject themselves to unnecessary procedures all the time. What if routine liposuction went wrong and caused a paralysis of some kind- would you deny that person assistance too?
    I wish people would exhibit the same level of concern for fellow human beings that they do for their tax dollars!!
    I'm sorry I just find the idea that the taxpayer should fund surgery to unecessarily remove a limb to be absurd. And to then give the person allowances for being without a limb doubly absurd.

    I'm not saying the sufferer has it easy, I'm sure they don't. Pay for their counselling, and mental health disability allowance yes. Pay for their surgery and then physical disability allowance ... No.

    At some point economics and common sense have to work in conjunction with the bleeding heart otherwise the country would go broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blossompossum View Post
    I agree with vp on this one.

    Wouldbt it be like me saying im feeling depressed because my breasts are so saggy and it is effecfibg my sex life so i want to get a boob job that is tax funded

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    Ummm....no it wouldn't be the same. People have just posted 3 pages discussing the facets of this mental illness and it's implications - your post suggests you don't understand (or want to)

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    I don't know where people have gotten that the taxpayer would pay for the surgery? It would be cosmetic, we don't pay for boob jobs so this wouldn't be covered either.

    As far as claiming a disability payment.... I really doubt someone who has gone through their entire life waiting a limb removed would be thinking about what they can get from the government?

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    On another tangent, I find it kinda interesting that people's responses reflect attitudes towards people who are differently abled.

    I mean, being in a wheelchair is many people's way of life - so when we are horrified that someone chooses this as a way of life, that suggests a whole range of stuff about people who use wheelchairs and their life.


 

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