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    Quote Originally Posted by Caviar View Post
    Is this any different to gender dysphoria? Do we treat this or just let them do what they want to do? We allow children as young as 12 to undergo sex changes and told to think that this is normal, that if we deny them their "right" to have the operation that we are cruel. So why not let the woman have her legs chopped off?
    Love your point of view.

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    I wonder how she would actually feel if her limbs were removed, would it help her mental illness? Maybe she would be happier, maybe not.

    Awful way to be living regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smyles View Post
    I wonder how she would actually feel if her limbs were removed, would it help her mental illness? Maybe she would be happier, maybe not.

    Awful way to be living regardless.
    In the few case studies Ive read, the people were happier once they had their amputation. For one man I read about- his horror and revulsion towards his leg were extreme- he felt that he had someone else's amputated limb following him around, it was completely foreign to him.

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    Oh I'd love to read that book.

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    Caviar I was just going to say the same thing....I'm genuinely not sure how this is different from someone wanting gender reassignment surgery? Why is this a severe mental health problem, but that isn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellyfishie View Post
    Caviar I was just going to say the same thing....I'm genuinely not sure how this is different from someone wanting gender reassignment surgery? Why is this a severe mental health problem, but that isn't?
    From the wiki entry on gender dysphoria:
    Gender identity disorder is classified as a medical disorder by the ICD-10 CM[5] and was also in the DSM-IV TR.[6] The current DSM-5, however, removed the diagnosis and replaced it with an updated diagnosis called "Gender dysphoria".[7] Controversy exists as to whether GID should be classified as a mental disorder.[7] Many transgender people and researchers support the declassification of GID as a mental disorder for several reasons. The classification of GID as a mental disorder pathologizes gender variance, and reinforces the binary model of gender.[8] Diagnosis of a mental disorder can also result in harmful stigmatization of transgender individuals.[7] In addition, there is growing evidence that transsexualism has biological causes, such as brain differences, genetic abnormality, and prenatal exposure to hormones, in addition to psychological and behavioral causes.[9]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellyfishie View Post
    Caviar I was just going to say the same thing....I'm genuinely not sure how this is different from someone wanting gender reassignment surgery? Why is this a severe mental health problem, but that isn't?
    Gender dysphoria (again, the politics in mental health now means that you don't call it Gender Identity Disorder anymore) is regarded by psychiatry and other mental health fields as being a mental illness and a social health problem and is dealt with accordingly. When people identify with and convinced they should be the opposite gender to what they are born as, one of the first avenues prescribed to them is a date with a psychiatrist for assessment. As you know, in order to physically become another gender this involves a specialised drug regimen as well as the chopping off of body parts and remoulding them to resemble others. The involvement of psychiatry (in this country anyway) is required by law prior to any further "treatment" being taken such as specialised drug regimens and these "gender reassignment" operations. At this stage, gender reassignment operations in Australia are not permitted until the person is 18 although the Courts here have allowed children as young as 11 to commence drug regimens (in the case of children these are known as puberty blockers which means their body is not permitted to undergo its natural cycle and by design creates an environment where further drugs are introduced to force that body to become another sex). While I am all for self expression, I privately harbour some very serious concerns as to the wisdom behind such decisions regarding children for biological, physiological and psychological reasons. Cases in other countries such as the States have also indicated that after puberty there have been reversals in that the person no longer wants to be the opposite gender or something else again. So I honestly ask why then, is gender reassignment considered an okay thing to do and yet different to someone who is convinced that she should be without limbs considered with revulsion and horror? Studies have shown that a lot of people with gender dysphoria who have been permitted to live as their desired gender go on to lead happy lives. So why not chop the woman's legs off and let her lead the life she wants?

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    I don't think anyone expressed revulsion?

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    On a slight side note, I'm wondering if someone who willingly has a healthy limb removed would be eligible for government disability assistance?

    No judgements, just curious.

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    Exactly, Wikidwitch, I wondered that too. People with gender dysphoria do.


 

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