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    I'm not trying to say she loses the right to her body, god I would have been horrified if DH had said no you can't have an epidural - in that sense I would have been outraged. But if I'd have said I wanted a home birth and he was dead set against it then I believe he has a right to be concerned for the safety of his wife and baby.

    I don't know enough about homebirths to know what is a fair compromise and wouldn't presume to know, all I know is that I disagree with that comment. I guess it's something to agree to disagree on.

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    I don't get why you would have a home birth if you were high risk, its completely personal I understand this.

    I wanted to punch the 'free birth' lady out. My partner is apart of our decision, we discussed home birthing but because our dd was high risk we decided against it.

    I feel so badly for the children that have passed and that 'birthing assistant' is that what they called her? Why is she being allowed to do this? Look at how many deaths!!! HOW SAD


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    The child's right should trump everyone's!!!!!!!!!

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    I think freebirth and unassisted pregnancies are ridiculous.

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    Because we had discussed pain relief, he had concerns with pethidene (sp?) and I had concerns with the gas so the decision was we were both comfortable with was the epidural, if he'd just said no without the discussion I would have been livid. I might be carrying the baby and having to deliver it but he was by my side and part of the whole process and I believe he has a part of the decision making process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    The child's right should trump everyone's!!!!!!!!!
    But ALL birthing women, do what they do because they have their unborns safety as their first priority. To suggest otherwise is insulting.

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    Yep it's that ex midwife she shouldn't be allowed anywhere near pregnant women she is a nutcase and a danger. Those woman made an educated decision about there birth and have to accept the consequences of there educated actions simple as that. I personally don't know how they could live with themselves as the guilt would kill me.


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    Statistics show that Planned Homebirth is safer than Hospital Birth


    http://hoydenabouttown.com/20100116....uth-australia/

    Planned home and hospital births in South Australia, 1991-2006: differences in outcomes
    Robyn Kennare, Marc Keirse, Graeme Tucker and Annabelle Chan, MJA 192(2), 18 January 2009
    You’re going to be hearing a lot from the Australian Medical Association about That Homebirth Study In South Australia, so here are a few actual facts to be getting along with in the meantime. Note that the Medical Journal of Australia is the journal of the AMA, not an independent publication.
    What you’ll hear from Dr Pesce and his gang:
    [...] while the data showed that planned home births had a perinatal mortality rate similar to that of planned hospital births, they had a sevenfold higher risk of intrapartum death and a 27-fold higher risk of death due to intrapartum asphyxia (lack of oxygen during childbirth). [...]
    The study also found that low Apgar scores were more frequent among planned home births, and use of specialised neonatal care, as well as rates of postpartum haemorrhage and severe perineal tears, were lower among planned home births, but these differences were not statistically significant.
    What the data actually say when you get past the abstract:
    The study was a retrospective population-based review of births in South Australia over a 16-year period. There were 297192 planned hospital births in that time, and 1141 planned home births, 782 of which occurred at home.
    There was no difference in Apgar scores or neonatal intensive care unit admissions or postpartum haemorrhage. Everyone agrees on that, though the AMA has worded their press release ambiguously, presumably to try to slip some extra spin past to the keeper.



    Intervention Rates
    Intervention rates – Caesarean section, instrumental delivery, episiotomy – were substantially higher in the planned hospital birth group. C section rates were tripled, even when adjusted for maternal age, parity, occupation, smoking, plurality, medical and obstetric complications, gestational age, size for gestational age, congenital anomalies, and rurality. The adjusted instrumental delivery rate was also tripled in the planned hospital birth group.
    Episiotomy was seven times as likely with a planned hospital birth , even once risk factors were corrected for. 21.7% of women planning hospital births underwent episiotomy; 3.6% of those planning homebirth underwent episiotomy – and the vast majority of those operations occurred in hospital after transfer, with only 0.4% of women actually birthing at home being cut open. Rates of third and fourth degree perineal tears were the same (higher on paper in the planned hospital birth group, but the difference was not statistically significant); this massive increase in hospital episiotomies prevented no tears.

    Perinatal Deaths

    Perinatal deaths were the same: 2440 (8.2/1000) in planned hospital births, and 9 (7.9/1000) in planned home births. Seven of those nine “homebirth” perinatal deaths were in born in hospital. The details of these nine “homebirth” deaths are as follows:
    Actual Home Births:
    1. One with lethal congenital anomalies;
    2. One stillborn, “fresh” stillbirth, time and cause of fetal death unknown.

    Hospital Births (originally planned as home births):
    3. Post-term induction of labour, infant died from a lethal anomaly;
    4. Second twin born in hospital after a delay in transfer due to maternal dissatisfaction with previous hospital experiences (advised to transfer earlier and declined);
    5. infant with congenital anomaly and hydrops fetalis;
    6. Growth-restricted infant with suspected abnormal karyotype;
    7. Unexplained death with umbilical cord entanglement (no autopsy performed);
    8. Early prelabour rupture of membranes with neonatal death from pulmonary hypoplasia; mother declined earlier intervention;
    9. A “seriously” post-term birth, mother deferred referral; eventual stillbirth in hospital.


    There was no such scrutiny of the 2440 perinatal deaths in the planned hospital birth group, except to say that 87 of them were attributed to intrapartum asphyxia (lack of oxygen supply to the fetus in labour). Of the three deaths attributed to intrapartum asphyxia in the planned home birth group, two occurred in hospital. One at home. One.

    So there are your big giant scary homebirth deaths. There is your “sevenfold higher risk of intrapartum death” and your “27-fold higher risk of death due to intrapartum asphyxia”. There are the data being presented in support of the legal restriction of reproductive choice. There is the death Pesce is hanging his hat on as AMA-sponsored proof that midwives are dangerous and need to be controlled by obstetricians. One asphyxia-attributed death in the course of an actual home birth, with cause and timing and preventability unknown. One. In sixteen years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    The child's right should trump everyone's!!!!!!!!!
    Legally speaking, I don't think the child has rights before birth. But that is a pro-life argument and quite OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillynix View Post
    But ALL birthing women, do what they do because they have their unborns safety as their first priority. To suggest otherwise is insulting.
    I don't believe anybody freebirthing or an unassisted pregnancy is putting a baby first.

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