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    Let's hope we don't turn out like the USA...Letting Obs and doctors scare people into having Ob led births and midwife bashing. The UK have a great system going on.

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    I agree it's sad there is so much scare mongering around homebirth.

    As I said in my OP, DS2 was an unplanned homebirth (I had wanted a planned one, but DH just wasn't comfortable with it) - labour took me by surprise and he came in a real hurry. Luckily I had private middy care, she made it to me just in time to catch him and although I was feeling a little panicked before she turned up, it was a beautiful birth and I'm really glad it happened at home. After the initial shock of it all I crawled into my comfy bed with my gorgous baby while DH made me a cup of tea and my middy filled out some paperwork - it was bliss

    My middy assured me the safest place for me to be in that situation was at home, and I 100% agree with her. But when I tell people he was born at home they assume it was an 'emergency' that involved ambos etc. Not the case. It was just DH, my 2yo & 2 middies, no emergency, just a strong healthy little baby in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by four legged mummy View Post
    Couldn't not reply to this one. A few facts...

    Home birth is not illegal in Australia.

    Evidence strongly supports that if you have a low risk pregnancy, choosing to have a home birth is just as safe (and some suggest safer) than in hospital.

    When the literature talks about 'safety' they are only referring to live mothers and babies. While this is a very important statistic and needs to be paramount, safety can also be extended to include other physical aspects of the woman's body (ie intact perineum, reduced unnecessary C-section), emotional and psychological health (reduced post natal depression, feeling satisfied with the birth experience, feeling less anxious and more supported during pregnancy, birth and beyond) and outcomes for the baby (breastfeeding rates, skin to skin contact and consequent benefits, babies experience of birth). These statistics for different birth choices also need to be considered.

    Please remember that home is just a location - many women choosing to give birth at home are using one on one continuity of care through a known midwife (typically and independent midwife) as their model of care. The same midwife is there for all pre and post appointments, and the midwife does not leave during crucial parts of the birth due to shift changes or needing to monitor other women. This model of care has been demonstrated in the literature to give the best outcomes for women and babies. There are also women who give birth at home who choose to free birth - ie they have no or limited medical support pre/post and during the birth. This model of care is VERY different to home birth with an independent and highly trained midwife. Only the location is the same. The media doesn't seem to be able to differentiate this.

    There are now a number of countries where home birth is a common and encouraged option. European countries a taking a lead here, and in New Zealand all women are funded for midwifery or obstetric care of their choice in the environment of their choice.

    Since the collapse of HIA insurance, independent midwives have not been able to obtain insurance for the actual birth. However they are fully insured for all before and after involvement. They currently have an exemption from having insurance because none is available. Independent midwives are currently working very hard to negotiate insurance options.

    If a baby or mother were to die at home, then of course an investigation would occur. Just as I would hope a very thorough investigation would occur whenever a mother or baby dies in hospital (we don't often hear about this in the media...). Unfortunately reporting of the investigation is likely to be biased due to a preference for culturally based practice, rather than evidence based practice, within this country.

    Most independent midwives are very cautious in their practice and have very clear guidelines around when they recommend a woman does transfer into hospital. You may notice that women talk about 'planning' a home birth rather than stating they are 'having' a home birth. There are times when it is very appropriate to move to a hospital setting; however it is quite amazing how much medical equipment independent midwives carry with them. And when birth is allowed to unfold uninterrupted in an environment where the woman feels safe, it is rare that medical intervention is required. At least the rates start to fall within the WHO recommendations for intervention and C-section for birth.

    Good luck with your birth choices! End of essay.....
    Excellent post, thank you! I just had an away from hospital birth that is classed as a HB despite not occurring at a 'home' & it was the perfect choice for my family. We were treated with such love and respect and yet when required the upmost professionalism. And yes, the amount of medical equipment they have stashed away is really surprising!

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    The Australian media are so quick to jump on these types of bandwagons, and present very sensationalised pieces, (text removed by moderator) pity not everyone can see through them, and 'alternative choices' will be further misunderstood, and more difficult for those who do choose them.

    It always seems ironic to me that I chose to plan 3 homebirths in Australia with the label 'wierdo' hanging over my head quite often, and now I'm home in NZ, where HB is well supported, (and FULLY funded) and cause for just about as little comment as giving birth in a hospital, I'm not having any more kids!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Can I just say to anyone who will be watching this that some of the women shown or interviewed agreed to be part of it under certain conditions- it was pitched to them as a story to show the persecution of home birthing families, and to tell their side of the story. It has since been completely changed as you can see by the promo. They have apparently declined to let people withdraw from it. With that in mind, I am fairly certain you won't get an objective piece of journalism- just the usual sensationalised rubbish.
    I have not had a HB myself as my DH wasn't keen on the idea, but I have no objection to those who want to, it is their body and their choice. We all make our own risk assessments, after all.
    Just stumbled across this https://www.facebook.com/BirthritesH...86420404770561

    There will be an interview aired tonight on "Sunday Night" channel 7....please read this letter before watching written by the mums involved:

    Tomorrow night, Channel seven will air a programme for the 'Sunday Night' 'When birth is a crime'. Annie, who was interviewed states that "This is not the story we had agreed to be a part of. The journalists at Channel 7, Rebecca Letourneau and Lisa Ryan told us they wanted to do a story about childbirth rights and they promised to show us the script before this was going to be one air. That never happened. This is the letter I sent to Channel 7. Please read and share.

    Dear Lisa Ryan,
    We refer to recent discussions with you where we, Annie Bourgault and Janet Fraser, have individually and severally withdrawn our consent to be broadcast on Channel Seven’s Sunday Night program.
    Our Agreement with Channel Seven
    It was our understanding, prior to the commencement of any inquiry into our personal and private lives, and the personal and private lives of our children, that we would be given the opportunity to review, and offer editorial input in relation to, the final script before you made the decision to broadcast.
    It was also our understanding that you were doing a story on the human rights issues underpinning childbirth, and the growing significance of such issues both here and internationally. These are legal issues, requiring analysis and detailed consideration by legal experts.
    As you well know, this agreement is of serious importance to us because of the potential to compromise the safety and privacy of our children, and because of the prejudice it may cause in relation to the coronial inquest that is due to be conducted in relation to the death of one of our infants at birth. Our consent to be interviewed, given on behalf of us, and our children, was contingent on such an agreement.
    Channel 7, through Rebecca Letourneau and subsequently you, confirmed our understanding in writing on several separate occasions with each of us.
    In return, we and our respective families dedicated a considerable amount of time and resources to providing you with information, giving interviews and sharing materials. We were honest and straightforward in our discussions. We maintained contact with you by email and via telephone.
    Channel Seven breaches Agreement
    You are now claiming that you cannot allow us to review the final script. You have also informed us that your story consists only of the views of three grieving families, set against the competing views of an obstetrician who categorically rejects the practice of birthing at home. You have told us that you do not intend to contact or interview any legal professionals for your story or to speak to an expert on human rights in childbirth. We understand you have recently, following the withdrawal of our consent, contacted a midwife who declined to be interviewed because of concerns with bias in your reporting.
    You have breached your agreement with each of us.
    By agreeing to run a balanced report on human rights in childbirth and in offering the right to review the final script, you have engaged in misleading and deceptive conduct within the meaning of section 18 of the Australian Consumer Law (ACL) by subsequently failing to honour that Agreement. Such conduct is actionable by us in the event of any injury to us, and to our children. Your conduct does not fall within the exception contained in s19 of the ACL because it is conduct engaged in prior to any publication, including in the course of gathering information for the purposes of making a publication.
    We are extremely concerned that your broadcast, which we have yet to review, may seriously compromise the safety, wellbeing and reputation of our children, including a surviving twin infant who will, through no fault of his own, be exposed to media scrutiny and a public inquiry. Section 105 of the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998 (NSW) prohibits the identification of children who are likely to be reasonably involved in any capacity in non-court proceedings. These children cannot be broadcast in an identifiable form in New South Wales. This prohibition affects one or several of our children.
    You and Rebecca have breached ethical obligations by taking advantage of the profound grief and social isolation our families have been through and by extracting information from us on false premises.
    We believe that there are profound human rights concerns affecting our experiences and we had hoped your program would consider and explore these genuine concerns. You have taken advantage of our trust and hope.
    Withdrawal of Consent and Notice of Intention to Take Action
    Please note that we do not consent to any use of any materials provided to, or information collected by, Sunday Night or Channel Seven representatives, for any purpose. We require the immediate return of all information and/or photographic images provided to you.
    We are currently preparing a complaint to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission and to the ABC’s Media Watch, together with copies of the communications between Channel Seven and us. We will also be filing a complaint with the Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance against you and Rebecca personally for breaches of the Ethical Code of Conduct.
    In the event of any dissemination of information collected from us, by whatever means, we will be filing a complaint with the relevant broadcasting authorities responsible for overseeing Channel Seven’s code of conduct, and considering commencing proceedings for breach of contract, misleading and deceptive conduct, and defamation.
    We reserve our rights.

    Yours sincerely,
    Annie Bourgault

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    According to a friend who works at major crime, all baby deaths in the home are investigated, this is anytime from birth onwards. It is a standard practice in WA.

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    Was just reading the trailer for the piece:

    the notorious midwife who has been present at five homebirths that have ended in death.
    Anyone know who they are talking about here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AM View Post
    Was just reading the trailer for the piece:



    Anyone know who they are talking about here?
    No I don't actually

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    No idea but I want to know about it too

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