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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Why can't both sides just accept that we both do valid jobs, and that PPL is around 6-7k BB is 1-3k and everyone is winning? There is a significant bonus to working up to 6 times the amount - and while it's taxable, a woman that isn't working for 6-12 months clearly will pay little to no tax??

    Why does it always have to be this fight to kick the other down? like the comments in here that SAHM's should get no assistance and pay for their babies themselves? right, got it, while 2 income families are happily accepting thousands in assistance bc they are 'better' rather than paying for their babies themselves? It serves no purpose but to cause division.

    I have never seen one SAHM either here on IRL that begrudges PPL. Yet the constant bagging, whinging about a few k BB, how we are lazy, bad role models, not contributing is just constant. Quite frankly I'm sick of it. If you want to work, you are getting heaps more in govt assistance for doing that. Just let it go
    Agree Del. completely. It's ridiculous that people worry so much about what other people are getting. I am happy that so many families can live comfortably in this country (and I am aware there are thousands that can't....).

    I really, really don't understand why people just can't let it go or why it is even any of anyone's business what another family earns.

    Whatever families need to support themselves and meet their basic needs
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    Quote Originally Posted by KassMeow View Post
    As a working mum who pays taxes I sure am going to accept the cheaper daycare so I can actually go to work and support my family. So don't even try to debate me on that one. I don't get Ftb a or b or rent assistance or whatever else everyone else seems to get. I could be a sahm and get way more from the government but hey, that's not who I am.
    Why the attitude? Wowsers. Isn't it a good thing that families have so many choices??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    OK, so we've established that SAHM don't actually get any more government assistance than working families with a similar income (they can only claim unemployment benefits the same as any other unemployed person).

    Given that the op was questioning why some SAHPs feel that they should be entitled to at least as much government assistance as working parents, can I ask if any SAHMs here actually feel that way. Do you think the amount you recieve from the government is unfair compared to what working parents get?
    Not at all. It should be possible for every new Mum to spend time at home, so I'm 100% for PPL. I also have no problem with the difference between PPL and what SAHMs get because working parents need to subsidise their income while they have time off whereas a SAHM has living expenses in line with their payments iykwim? I would actually like to see PPL be the full wage of an individual rather than minimum wage for everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by chickpea View Post
    Just to respond to this, think about the female dominated jobs....nursing, teaching, allied health, child care, aged/disability care........this is why we need child care assistance, these middle paying jobs that do not pay enough to pay full child care fees that are female dominated, we need these working parents to keep working!
    I completely agree. As I said, I have no problem with child care assistance, just those that think government handouts should only be given to those in their situation.

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    way to many replies to read all, but back on topic. I think SAHM and Mum's that work pt or ft, both do a fantastic jobs and none is less important than the other.

    No I do not think SAHM should recieve more income than people that get ppl. At end of the day it is the parents choice to be SAH full time (they may give up extras and sacrifice etc etc) DH and I choose for me to work pt to cover our cost of living and I do think I am it is awesome to get a bit of extra of ftb (not getting into how much tax we pay etc) and it helps us survive, but I wont always be recieving this only for the main part of while my babies are growing.

    It is a privledge not a right to get money from the government We live in a very good country with free medical and so many benefits. It does annoy me of some of the SAHM I know think they shouldnt have to work at all while there babies are growing as they believe in full time care at home - yes they are helping out at school, drop off etc but at the government costs. I would love to do this but we can not and I also believe in paying my way. - This isnt probably coming across correctly and my views of what I have seen is biased on a LOT of my extended family.

    But all of my friends have all gone back to work after a certain time mainly only pt but are still contributing financially. I really dont see why everyone can not do this? - there are jobs out there. (obvisouly this is the average I am not talking about full time care for a child with special needs etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turk EnJayDee View Post
    This is the bit that's getting me. Why should I have to look for a job when my kids are at school? I will be doing canteen duty, drop offs, pick ups, volunteering. To help and benefit my children. I don't believe there is any where else my time would be better spent.
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    Not only that, but it is SO hard to find a job within school hours! I asked my employer about it for when I return to work after this bub and it's just not that easy. For me to drop the kids off at school/daycare and make it to work then back, I'd only work from 10am-2pm. And I'll be damned if I'm paying $20+ a day in parking plus petrol for that, not worth it! Not to mention daycare fees for #2.

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    Just because something doesn't effect me personally doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion. Also, no-one is saying that being a SAHM is not a valid or worthy job or trying to "kick the other down". Just because I disagree with certain support payments being received after children start school doesn't mean I am trying to devalue SAHM's or the job they do!! I am certainly not concerned with knowing what families earn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lulu 2 View Post
    I haven't read all the replys but as a working mother I get no assistance from the govt yet if I become a sahm I get discounts on childcare , sorta defeats the purpose for me.
    When we had a business we were able to claim all the benefits as we were able to structure our income, there is a lot of people who can do this but I am not sure it is fair.
    As a sole parent, when my daughter went to daycare there was no CCR like there is now so there was only CCB. I received the same rate of CCB whether working or not, but if I was not working it would only cover 2 days per week whereas when working it covered 4 then I paid the extra as a full fee day. Now it's all changed, as a working mum people who are working can claim 50% of their fees back while those not working cannot. It works out a much bigger discount even without bringing CCB into it.

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    There are a lot of people saying "why should you go back to work" but I am asking why shouldn't you go back to work or look for work? Or how about we make it fair for everyone. For example those with a mortgage, who wouldn't be able to keep up with house repayments on a single income (plus government benefits). How bout the government pay the minimum amount to those families to "meet basic needs" as someone put it so those mums can stay home and volunteer at tuckshop too?

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    Very disappointing how this thread has turned out but not surprising.

    I don't have an issue with any payment that families are eligible for. I don't think the BB should be the same amount as PPL, and from what I can gather, neither does anyone else.

    Just one tiny thing though, CCR is not 50%. It's up to 50% and mine is so expensive it works out that I get about 30% back. Not complaining and thank god! But I do think the amount needs to be increased to take into account rising fees, as it hasn't changed in years. My daycare is $120 a day before CCR.

    About 50% of my post tax salary goes on childcare which is crazy. But I love my job so would not ever give it up. I'm sure others would though if they didn't like their jobs!

    Anyway sorry to digress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peanutmonkey View Post
    I am a SAHM. I am entitled to nothing, no FTB, no CCB, no rent assistance etc. Do I think I should be entitled to more? Nope. Im not entitled to it because DH's income is over the threshhold.

    Do I begrudge working parents getting assistance in the form of CCR, PPL etc? No way.

    Do I begrudge SAHM's whose partner earns less than mine, getting more assistance? Not at all. That's what its there for. To assist people.

    I will never understand why some people get so up in arms about it. How does how much assistance someone else gets, affect you? This is one reason why I don't share information about our financial situation with our friends or family - because its no ones business but our own


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    Totally agree. I'm immensely grateful for the support we receive.

    As to the whole 'my tax dollars pay for SAHM's to sit on their butt' (paraphrased of course but that was the meaning) - I will probably never have another baby. So my Dh's taxes are helping fund PPL I will never utilise. The PHI rebates we will never get. The private school funding from the govt to subsidise fees. The CCR others get. Who cares? We live in a society? lol it all goes into a pool which everyone draws from?

    Like kw123 I'm disappointed the thread has gone this way but not surprised. While I acknowledge there are lots of working mums that get it, this thread is proof of my vent at the beginning about the bagging of SAHM's. What's even more frustrating is some simply don't understand how the system works and still think the tax payer funds these 'ladies of leisure' forever so they can go for coffees and sit around doing nothing

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