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    Default SOS: What bits do you take v leave?

    After popular request over the last 6 months I am starting another SOS thread. I was going to wait a few weeks, however was sparked into earlier action by the schemozzal that occurred with the hijacking and premature closure of todays Premmie SOS thread.

    I don't want to see biased Mis-information being spread so once again
    Am going to have a few rules:
    1) Participants must have either:
    a. Read SOS
    b. Have a copy of SOS
    c. Be genuinely interested in learning about SOS for their own family.
    2) No personal attacks on a poster or the author. All personal attacks and viciousness (eg "she's an idi0t") will be reported.
    3) No accusing me of being drunk. (You know who you are!)

    I am posting in the General sleep section as SOS is more than CIO. It's focus is on ensuring bubs have the right sleep at the right time so bub doesn't have to cry. Also, I feel posting in the CIO section would reduce genuine feedback on the bits of SOS that people don't follow. However, if things get nasty: mods feel free to move to the CIO section.

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    Now the formalities are out of the way, here's the question:

    Do you or have you followed SOS? If so did you follow some parts and not others? (Please explain). Did it work for you?

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    I have it and refer to it every now and then, especially when DS is going through a rough patch sleep wise. It's definitely not something I follow to the letter but as a general guide for routines I've found it rather helpful. I've found it useful in terms of getting a routine or tweaking a routine.

    DS has a dummy and I'm not planning on taking that away anytime soon, so I ignore her advice on that and a few other things, but like anything you pick the seeds of truth that work for you and make it your own.

    The lack of understanding around cc really $hits me to be honest. Marigold had a thread recently which I think gave a really good experience of cc for her 10 month old.

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    Let me start.

    Bits I didn't follow:
    - start from birth. I didn't feel comfortable with doing anything other than pamper a newborn. And I couldn't be stuffed with expressing. So I waited until bub was just over 2 months
    - bedding guide. I prefer gro-bags as they are safer and easier to work out.
    - I didn't follow (closely enough) the guidance on moving bub up to the next routine if certain signs were displayed. I got complacent and it came back to bite me. Everytime bub started waking early it took me a week before realising it was probably time for the next routine. Doh!

    Bits I followed:
    - routine. This was very important in ensuring bub was the right level of tired at nap time. However I didn't freak out if a day was screwed because we had an appointment.
    - breathable comforter
    - strict bedtime routine
    - encouraging bub to sleep in a different place for the late afternoon nap
    - no dummy

    My boy slept through 10 hours from about 12 weeks and 12 hours shortly after. He's still a great sleeper with only the occasional hiccup. Now my boy is older it doesn't involve strict routines as much. It's more about continuing the good sleeping habits learned in the early days.

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    VP - just to clarify my understanding is that SOS is NOT CIO but CC at developmentally appropriate ages/stages.

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    I own, read, and tried it.

    Bits I liked was the routine gave me a very very vague approximate rough idea about what maybe I could possibly try to work with at different ages and stages.

    Otherwise... That is all I think I'm allowed to say in this thread

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    Yes, as boobycino said I liked it for the fact it at least gave me a guide for how many hours a day they should be sleeping and rough routine. I found no other book that would tell me this, and they just kept repeating to follow your baby. I get this now with more than one, but when it was my first I didn't really understand what that meant.

    I still used the guides for my 2nd and will again for this one on its way. Again though, it was a really rough guide rather than a routine for me.

    As for the stuff I ignored, basically the rest of it.

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    Subbing, will be back later

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    I tried using it from around 3 weeks but realised it was waayy too early and didn't have much luck with a routine until ds was sound 4 months.

    Bits that I've found helpful are how much sleep he needs each day and roughly when he needs it, and feed times. Of course each day is different but I guess I use it as a plan. I've also taught ds to self settle using it. He doesn't have a dummy and I still swaddle at 6 months. If he wakes during the night I use her settling techniques. He now rarely even wakes once during he night from 7-7.

    Bits I don't use: he doesn't have a comforter and has a mobile in his cot.
    He tends to catnap during the day and so I let him sleep on me to stretch a nap our further when he wakes up in he cot still tired. I love the cuddles.
    I don't use her recommended blankets made of bamboo etc.

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    I've used it loosesly from 6 weeks with great results so far.

    What we haven't used:

    -feeding routines (we feed on demand)
    - expressing times
    - bedding reccomendations

    What I took from it:

    -some babies need put to sleep
    - a rough routine and sleep requirements
    - put bub to bed before tired signs
    - no dummy
    - I'm planning on introducing a comforter
    -and the self settling technique (sitting with bub patting them until asleep)


    I really never thought I'd be a SOS user, I had visions of myself as this easy going AP type. Baby wearing, co-sleeping, breastfeed to sleep ect.

    Turns out I'm too neurotic control freak and I had a baby that got over tired and overstimulated. She couldn't fall asleep even in my arms, took HOURS to be rocked to sleep and I was way to anxious about rolling on her to co-sleep.

    She has really taken to a loose routine and more day sleeps and only wakes once a night now at 7 weeks. She is difficult to put to bed at night and requires to be sat with and patted but self settles happily for all other sleeps.
    shes even slept through a few times 9pm-5am.

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    We used it with our twins who are now 12 months old and we still do. We use the routines as a guide. We get as close as we can with proper times, but it doesn't always happen! The only thing we really stick to is getting them up at 7am and putting them to bed at 7pm.
    We followed most of it reasonably closely, except for the following:
    -Expressing. Couldn't be bothered.
    -Bedding guide. We did our own, usually just clothing and swaddle as our house stays fairly warm and they didn't need layers.
    -Never bought any merchandise except for the book.
    -After a few months, we didn't do the part where you're supposed to leave them for a few minutes before going to check. Our boys picked up self settling really well, so if they cried at bedtime something was actually wrong and we went in straight away. It only happened a few times (less than 10) and it was because one baby used to get a bit gassy and need an extra burp.
    -Dropping the dreamfeed. I think the book recommends taking about a month to do it but we did it in a week (lazy, I know)
    - Didn't use a cloth "comforter" but we did give them small stuffed toys when they were about 6 months old which I guess have become comforters.

    I can see how people find the commercial side of it a bit distasteful, she does push her wares a lot. I also thought the tone of the book was a bit smug in places, eg "Baby X had seen three doctors and four sleep specialists and they couldn't help him, but I fixed all his problems in two days". I mean, she doesn't say that but that's kind of the tone of some of her writing. Just my opinion.

    HOWEVER!!!!!!!! Our twins started sleeping 12 hours a night 12 weeks. They are now one, and since 12 weeks I have got up in the night ONCE. One boy had the sniffles and wanted an extra feed.
    The twins are happy, confident and healthy. They breezed through starting solids and teething. They have never had a sleep regression. When I put them in their cots at night, they will be grinning up at me. As I go to leave the room, they are smiling and snuggling into their teddies and I won't hear a sound on the monitor until 7am. I personally have huge troubles sleeping (due to a turbulent childhood) and I am so glad they have this valuable skill.

    Now, before all the haters tear me to pieces: Yes, I am aware that this could all change tomorrow. They could turn into demon babies overnight, I know it happens. Yes, I know that a lot of the success we've had could be put down to our babies personalities (although they are chalk and cheese, the only thing they have in common is good sleeping). Yes, I know that attachment parenting is a valid method and if it works for you I am VERY happy for you. I don't hate attachment parents/co-sleepers/whatever (any parent who loves their baby is doing it right) and I don't think Tizzie Hall is perfect. I do think that her suggestions worked really well for our family, with a bit of tweaking. I absolutely couldn't be more thankful that our boys have become such great sleepers, and I believe a lot of that has to do with SOS routines. We plan on using them with our next baby, no doubt.

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