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    Quote Originally Posted by NoteToSelf View Post
    You do know the ABA is a charity? Paid for by fundraising and members membership fees? I joined the ABA while I was BFing to support their work and if I needed to access it. What is unfair about that? If you are so passionate you could start a FF charity.
    Lol sorry but as if that would ever be allowed....you cant even go to a formula website without having to agree to a disclaimer about breast is best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Lily View Post
    Lol sorry but as if that would ever be allowed....you cant even go to a formula website without having to agree to a disclaimer about breast is best.
    That law is to prevent multinational companies with huge profits making false claims about formula. I am sure there would be no law against a charity set up by Mothers to support Mothers in FFing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniggle6 View Post
    Her comment was uncalled for, regardless. And I stand by my comment that it would be totally unacceptable in the BF section but for some reason it's ok to post them in the Bottlefeeding section.

    The previous poster felt unsupported, which is ok. But it's not ok to suggest that because one group of people are supposedly doing tougher, they "deserve" more support. That's her choice, and her post was just as insulting, if not more, than any other.
    Likewise it's not fair to make bf mums feel bad for having access to support that she didn't have access to as a ff mum 18 years ago. I'll reiterate- no matter what way you choose to feed your baby, there is support and info available. There are helplines that are free for ff info, bf mums can access the ABA if they are paid members, there are online resources and medical experts for both. No one should be made to feel bad for accessing help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Likewise it's not fair to make bf mums feel bad for having access to support that she didn't have access to as a ff mum 18 years ago. I'll reiterate- no matter what way you choose to feed your baby, there is support and info available. There are helplines that are free for ff info, bf mums can access the ABA if they are paid members, there are online resources and medical experts for both. No one should be made to feel bad for accessing help.
    Doesn't change the fact it's in the Bottlefeeding section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Pretty sure Redlips ff her first. She is not debating ff vs bf just saying as a bf mother you do tend to need more help and support. There are many more issues that you can struggle with when bf. that's not to say there are no issues for ff mums at all but as someone who has also ff and bf I know the issues faced by bf mums on a practical level alone are more numerous. Saying that is not having a go at bottle feeding mums- I don't care how you choose to feed- it's just a fact. I think her comment should be taken in context- it's clear she felt Louise41 was trying to guilt bf mums for having access to support that she couldn't access as a ff mum 18 years ago.
    But as I said, it's her choice to persevere. That doesn't make her more deserving of anything. That is what grinds me, the sense of entitlement and that she is better because she chooses to continue BF. And Louise's experience was that FF was difficult. Redlips just completely disregarded that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoteToSelf View Post
    That law is to prevent multinational companies with huge profits making false claims about formula. I am sure there would be no law against a charity set up by Mothers to support Mothers in FFing.
    Oh I know Its there for a reason and a good one at that. I was just meaning more for women who already feel guilty for whatever reason looking for information and having to agree to it...It would hurt but I do agree with it being there. I know there wouldn't be a law against it but I also don't believe a ff charity would be well received either. I just wish we could all support each other whether you bf or ff, plain and simple we are all feeding our babies. Most people know breast is best but as we all know Its not that black and white as some people like to make it (not in this thread just in general). Just because people ff doesn't mean they are against bf and like wise for breast feeders (and again I dont mean anybody in this thread I just mean in general).
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    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    Are you f#!*ing kidding me?! How dare you!
    I'm currently spending 1/6 of my day with my breasts attached to a pump, other parts trying to teach a tiny baby how to correctly latch and keep sucking for long enough, washing and sterilising pump parts, labelling and filling milk bags, making sure I drink enough water and eat enough food even though it's the last thing I feel like doing, stressing every time I sleep through an express alarm because I desperately need to keep my supply there and having to make dd1 wait because it's near impossible to do something else when you have a pump attached to each breast. I, sure as hell, never had to work that hard when I switched dd1 to formula.
    I'm sorry to read you are having such a hard time.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoThisIsLove View Post
    Why cant there be support for both? Like a pp said its not a competition.
    Ultimately the World Health Organisation recommendations have required the breastfeeding be universally promoted as the optimal feeding method. Formula companies have theor hands tied with regards to promoting formula. Fortunately babies being ff'd here in Austalia have access to clean water for the hygienic preparation of formula so formula is and excellent way of delivering nutrition.

    Maybe some of the CHN's need to work on their bedside manner a little so that all mums in need of support are not made to feel guilty about feeding their bubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniggle6 View Post
    Doesn't change the fact it's in the Bottlefeeding section.
    Sure it is. But I thought celebrating bottle feeding was talking about what was good about bottle feeding, not complaining about the support available to breastfeeding mums or making them feel bad for having things like the ABA- which is what Redlipsandpearls was responding to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniggle6 View Post
    This has to be one of the most appalling things I've read on here. To quote you earlier, are you f@&$ing kidding me? People like you are the reason there is even a debate. It's a choice, and it doesn't make you better person or mother for choosing to persevere.

    And I'm pretty sure this is in the Celebrate Bottlefeeding section. Imagine the uproar if someone posted similar about Bottlefeeding in the celebrate breastfeeding section.
    Quote Originally Posted by sniggle6 View Post
    But as I said, it's her choice to persevere. That doesn't make her more deserving of anything. That is what grinds me, the sense of entitlement and that she is better because she chooses to continue BF. And Louise's experience was that FF was difficult. Redlips just completely disregarded that.
    I never said that I'm a better person or parent for breastfeeding, nor do I believe that. I formula fed dd1.

    It's simply a case of to be able to breastfeed both you and bub have to be able to tick off a long list from milk production to correct latch and everything in between, whereas with formula feeding only bub needs to respond well. When there are two people to get it right with breastfeeding compared to just one with formula feeding, of course they need more help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Sure it is. But I thought celebrating bottle feeding was talking about what was good about bottle feeding, not complaining about the support available to breastfeeding mums or making them feel bad for having things like the ABA- which is what Redlipsandpearls was responding to.
    Her post was insulting and rude, regardless of what she was responding to. And as if BF mums don't try to make FF mums feel bad or guilty in a more personal way. If she is going to feel bad about the ABA being available, then that's her issue. I think it's a lot worse implying how much better she is because she chooses to persevere with BF rather than take the "easy" option and FF.

    Whatever. It's clear there's no point carrying on, you believe she was with her rights, I don't.


 

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