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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Ah ok. 11 years ago with DD1 we bought the formula the hospital recommended. Teats- you just read the packet- newborn tears stage one, infant 6 months + stage two. Anti colic teats for bubs with colic. Certainly there is more choice these days but they are all clearly labelled. But have definitely changed since DD1 was small.
    There is a helpline that parents can call for help with any child issues including bottle feeding- http://www.parentline.com.au/getting...e-services.php
    It's free (unlike the ABA) and 7 days a week. There are also phone lines provided by the formula companies too.
    I guess the thing I noticed most was that my GPs were quite knowledgable about ff and had no clue about bf. so while it's true that bf mums can pay to join the ABA, ff mums can still access community support and other helplines now.
    It's funny that you say bf mums are made to feel superior- I think it depends on your circle and experiences. There have been several high profile instances of bf discrimination and many women still feel uncomfortable bf in public- I wish no one felt this way- bf or ff!
    A mum I know was recently told her reasons for not bf were "rubbish" by a stranger!! Disgusting!
    and as I said before my experiences are from 18 years ago... different to yours 11 years ago..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    A mum I know was recently told her reasons for not bf were "rubbish" by a stranger!! Disgusting!
    What!?? I can imagine the type of old biddy saying such a thing, too... What a vile thing to say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    Are you f#!*ing kidding me?! How dare you!
    I'm currently spending 1/6 of my day with my breasts attached to a pump, other parts trying to teach a tiny baby how to correctly latch and keep sucking for long enough, washing and sterilising pump parts, labelling and filling milk bags, making sure I drink enough water and eat enough food even though it's the last thing I feel like doing, stressing every time I sleep through an express alarm because I desperately need to keep my supply there and having to make dd1 wait because it's near impossible to do something else when you have a pump attached to each breast. I, sure as hell, never had to work that hard when I switched dd1 to formula.
    well kudos to you for perservering etc.. but I struggled ok with ff my son .. I had no idea what I was doing if he was getting enough etc but yet I had no support but I bet you do as a BF mum which is great if you do I didn't mean to offend but the comment I made was in response to the comment that FF was easier than BF for me it was hard and to be told that all you have to do it make a bottle and put it in the babys mouth well for me that wasn't a simple thing to do and so I made the comment that if FF is so easy why cant BF be easy .. I know its not but my point is that some FF mums struggle as well just like BF mums but FF mums often don't get the support that Bf mums get and its not fair...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louise41 View Post
    well kudos to you for perservering etc.. but I struggled ok with ff my son .. I had no idea what I was doing if he was getting enough etc but yet I had no support but I bet you do as a BF mum which is great if you do I didn't mean to offend but the comment I made was in response to the comment that FF was easier than BF for me it was hard and to be told that all you have to do it make a bottle and put it in the babys mouth well for me that wasn't a simple thing to do and so I made the comment that if FF is so easy why cant BF be easy .. I know its not but my point is that some FF mums struggle as well just like BF mums but FF mums often don't get the support that Bf mums get and its not fair...
    Hmm. I have done both. My first had formula from birth. Formula feeding was easier for me then, that's why I changed. If bf was so easy and well supported, we wouldn't have one of the lowest bf rates in the world.

    I'm curious as to why you didn't bf if ff was do hard?

    Formula comes in a tin - with instructions. Boobs do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louise41 View Post
    and as I said before my experiences are from 18 years ago... different to yours 11 years ago..
    I Know, but you were also saying it would be much better if ff mums had the support that bf mums can access- my point is that they can access such support via helplines and community medical practitioners. I was trying to understand what you thought should be in place that isn't already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Marigold~ View Post
    What!?? I can imagine the type of old biddy saying such a thing, too... What a vile thing to say.


    "Life Is Ours, We Live It Our Way".
    Would you believe it was a mother the same age as her? Also had a go at her for using sposies instead of cloth. People are absolutely outrageous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louise41 View Post
    well kudos to you for perservering etc.. but I struggled ok with ff my son .. I had no idea what I was doing if he was getting enough etc but yet I had no support but I bet you do as a BF mum which is great if you do I didn't mean to offend but the comment I made was in response to the comment that FF was easier than BF for me it was hard and to be told that all you have to do it make a bottle and put it in the babys mouth well for me that wasn't a simple thing to do and so I made the comment that if FF is so easy why cant BF be easy .. I know its not but my point is that some FF mums struggle as well just like BF mums but FF mums often don't get the support that Bf mums get and its not fair...
    There IS support for formula feeding.

    There are clear instructions on the formula tin, bottles and teats.
    There are various types of formulas/bottles/teats that you can switch to if the current one isn't working.
    You can see exactly how much of a bottle your bub has had.
    You can go to your gp/chn or call the various support services.

    And to answer your question, yes there is support for me because I seek it... and also because I spend my day surrounded by health professionals... The same would apply if I chose to formula feed, although that would be much less intense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Would you believe it was a mother the same age as her? Also had a go at her for using sposies instead of cloth. People are absolutely outrageous!
    I've been told similar things by people my age as well. Or people have said things like 'if people HAVE to ff that's ok I guess, but it's disgusting that people give up so easily'.

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    I'm just going to say it and wait to get flamed because you think it's okay to insult people...
    How can you try to make people feel guilty for receiving more support with breastfeeding conpared to someone that formula feeds? We deserve more support. The effort it takes to formula feed can not even be compared to breastfeeding.
    There, I said it.

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    It's not a competition. Everyone's experiences are different and the levels of support people receive is different depending on which hospital you're at, which midwife might be on, whether your family or friends support you in whichever way you are feeding and a billion other variables.

    There is no easier or harder just different experiences. It's not a pi$$ing contest.

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