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    Not that I particularly want to get drawn further into this, because you don't listen (and I'm not *saying* you are a bit troll-like, but you are certainly an agitator) but your graph really doesn't tell me enough to answer your question. The numbers of asylum seekers will be reflective of what is happening in the country of origin of the people and in the last 5 years I would suggest that there has been large numbers of people seeking asylum from Africa and the middle east and western asia. Also lets not take away the influence of more people having access to the internet to be able to find ready information on how to get out and who will help them get out. A large portion of this too may be that the people smugglers are just getting better and better at targetting people who will pay for passage. I genuinely feel that the people at the head of a smuggling operation does not give a damn about the policies of the government in question. If they peddle enough lies to enough desperate people, they will make their money back to cover a wrecked boat and the crew, well they were probably nothing more that commodities.

    Vicpark, did you ever actually watch Go back to where you came from? It is still available on SBS On demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I would suggest that the more genuine refugees don't have $10,000 to pay for the boat journey.
    There have been instances where royal families have been refugees, I'm guessing they might have a bob or two tucked away.

    Quote Originally Posted by Staceyj13 View Post
    My issue is the way they come here we have laws in place and people should follow them
    But they haven't broken any Australian laws by getting on a boat and fleeing to Australia. None.

    We are SO very privileged to live in Australia and we should never forget that fact. I recently read an autobiography of a Somali born woman who because of her father's political involvement had to flee the country when she was 10. She lived in Saudi Arabia for a year then Ethiopia for a while before settling in Kenya for most of her teenage years. She fled to Holland and sought asylum there to escape an arranged marriage. She lied to gain asylum status because fleeing a forced marriage is not grounds for asylum. She started studying and became a Dutch MP but because of her political outspokenness was then forced to flee Holland so she now lives in the US. Her name is Ayaan Hirsi Ali by the way, she is a prominent speaker on the subject of atheism, feminism and supporting Muslim women.

    I urge all people to watch the SBS series "Go back to where you came from" before entering such a topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Yeah, I was right behind the one you were travelling on, didnt you see me wave?
    My mum came to Australia as a refugee on a boat, so I have a genuine interest in this subject.

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    The majority of people who arrive by boat are found to be genuine refugees.


    The figure for the March quarter for genuine refugees who arrive by boat - 90.5 per cent - continues a long-term trend, with 93.5 per cent of those who arrived by boat being found to be refugees in 2010-11, and 91 per cent in 2011-12.



    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/pol...#ixzz2UmHV6hv5

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialPatrolGroup View Post

    Vicpark, did you ever actually watch Go back to where you came from? It is still available on SBS On demand.

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    Not sure... I watched a video after the refugee thread of 6months ago? It was good whatever it was. People probably wont believe me but my views were modified slightly after that last thread. Although I'm still a bit cautious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunkydunks View Post
    I don't think we'll every really know why Australia has had a huge spike. The number of people coming in via boats has increased, there is no denying that. I don't get how that is the governments fault though. It's not like they've put up big signs in the middle of the ocean saying "Australia this way". As much as people want to believe that the government can control the number of boats they simply can't. The boats will continue to come if (I say "if" trying to be optomistic) the liberals get in and won't fkface...I mean Abbott look like a bigger tool (if that's possible) when he's trying to defend himself against the same abuse Gillard is copping.

    Father - to answer you, again. Take a pick of any of the wars that are currently raging. Maybe the ongoing conflict in the Middle East. Or how about the Tamils who are escaping from Sri Lanka? Sure the civil war may officially be over but there is still a lot unrest.
    Firstly, calling Abbott names does not paint you in a good light. Is it so hard to give people some respect?

    The wars you mention. They all started long ago, so I think you will struggle connecting them with the recent spike.

    And yes, I would say they are nearly putting a "Australia this way" sign up. Community 'detention' is not a good deterrent is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    My mum came to Australia as a refugee on a boat, so I have a genuine interest in this subject.
    Lots of people have a genuine interest. It's doesnt make one person more qualified than another.

    Would you care to share your mothers story? I understand if you're not comfortable with that.

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    My dad was an *actual* real illegal immigrant, jumped ship, no visa, or anything. But apprently it was ok because he was white and from the UK No one ever said a word about it to him.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    My mum came to Australia as a refugee on a boat, so I have a genuine interest in this subject.

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    Refugees have been coming to this country for years, it's not a new thing. As a child in the 70s I have images of rickety boats overloaded with Vietnamese refugees coming to Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Generally speaking ‘illegal immigrants’ are people who enter a country without meeting the legal requirements for entry (without a valid visa, for example). However, under Article 14 of the 1948 Universal declaration of human rights, everyone has the right to seek asylum and the 1951 Refugee Convention prohibits states from imposing penalties on those entering ‘illegally’ who come directly from a territory where their life or freedom is threatened.[7] = From Parliament of Australia website.
    Which boats are departing Afghanistan? They are primarily from Indonesia. So yes, it is illegal.

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