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    I think what would be ideal would be recognising that we are all human beings. We are all from one place, Earth. Which part of earth doesn't matter. Instead of jealously guarding the bit of earth you were born onto, why not share it. Our part of the world is amazing, we are so blardy lucky to live here. There are people struggling in less wonderful places, being oppressed, being persecuted, being killed. People- just like us. I challenge anyone who is against Australia accepting refugees to go face to face with these people and explain to them why we are more deserving of peace and freedom than they are, by right of where you were born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    I think what would be ideal would be recognising that we are all human beings. We are all from one place, Earth. Which part of earth doesn't matter. Instead of jealously guarding the bit of earth you were born onto, why not share it. Our part of the world is amazing, we are so blardy lucky to live here. There are people struggling in less wonderful places, being oppressed, being persecuted, being killed. People- just like us. I challenge anyone who is against Australia accepting refugees to go face to face with these people and explain to them why we are more deserving of peace and freedom than they are, by right of where you were born.
    This is exactly why I don't understand why people are against asylum seekers. We have so much, we can't even use it all. Why not share it?

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    Just for people discussing the tents, the Asylum Seeker Resource Centre just shared this photo on Facebook. This is a tent shared by 6 refugees on Nauru.https://www.facebook.com/Asylum.Seek...162994521851:0

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    It can get to 50degs on Manus Island, no air-conditioning and the tent situation there is appalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    That may be true, but what about Manus Island? Christmas Island is in Australia, but when we have offshore processing that involves different countries then things change. There have been many reports saying there is no air-conditioning on Manus - and DIAC has even admitted it.

    When you were working on Christmas Island then did you see evidence of the high rate of self harm on the Island? What are your thoughts on that? There is proof that long term detention causes PTSD and mental illness in people.
    I've never been to Manus or Nauru so wouldn't know about conditions there. But I've seen enough exaggeration and outright lying about Christmas in the media to know that I wouldn't believe anything I hear at face value.

    I didnt work with detainees when I was there, my job was a role that existed in the community health service before the IPC even opened (providing visiting specialist services to the existing Australian population of about 1200 people who have lived there all along).
    But I would definitely agree that long term detention would be a massive contributing factor to mental health problems. Most asylum seekers arrive with a degree of PTSD so I don't think you could isolate detention as a root cause for that, but the length of detention isn't good for MH.
    On the flip side however, it could be argued that, while in an IPC, people have access to mental health services (albeit often inadequate, but hey what's different to the rest of the community) to address their PTSD, which are services they wouldn't get in their country of origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    I think what would be ideal would be recognising that we are all human beings. We are all from one place, Earth. Which part of earth doesn't matter. Instead of jealously guarding the bit of earth you were born onto, why not share it. Our part of the world is amazing, we are so blardy lucky to live here. There are people struggling in less wonderful places, being oppressed, being persecuted, being killed. People- just like us. I challenge anyone who is against Australia accepting refugees to go face to face with these people and explain to them why we are more deserving of peace and freedom than they are, by right of where you were born.
    Very well said.

    People behave as though the arbitrary lines that separate countries are somehow *real* things. They're not. It's all a social construct.

    That said, even in Australia we live within imaginary lines, and these lines affect our lives. School zones are a good example. Why is one child more deserving of a better school than another? We use these lines to create order, and the world would require a fundamental shift of understanding to let go of them all.
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    There is only on psychiatrist on staff there, totally overwhelmed and understaffed. And as I mentioned before, most of these people get found to be genuine - so it really is in our best interest to make sure these people get all the help they can get.

    I agree with you though, a lot of these people have lived through horrors that we can't even comprehend and as a result many would be suffering mental illness already, I have read a lot that says that long term detention exacerbates these conditions.

    I also don't believe kids should ever be in detention, ever.

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    I've never been to Manus or Nauru so wouldn't know about conditions there. But I've seen enough exaggeration and outright lying about Christmas in the media to know that I wouldn't believe anything I hear at face value.

    I didnt work with detainees when I was there, my job was a role that existed in the community health service before the IPC even opened (providing visiting specialist services to the existing Australian population of about 1200 people who have lived there all along).
    But I would definitely agree that long term detention would be a massive contributing factor to mental health problems. Most asylum seekers arrive with a degree of PTSD so I don't think you could isolate detention as a root cause for that, but the length of detention isn't good for MH.
    On the flip side however, it could be argued that, while in an IPC, people have access to mental health services (albeit often inadequate, but hey what's different to the rest of the community) to address their PTSD, which are services they wouldn't get in their country of origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    I think what would be ideal would be recognising that we are all human beings. We are all from one place, Earth. Which part of earth doesn't matter. Instead of jealously guarding the bit of earth you were born onto, why not share it. Our part of the world is amazing, we are so blardy lucky to live here. There are people struggling in less wonderful places, being oppressed, being persecuted, being killed. People- just like us. I challenge anyone who is against Australia accepting refugees to go face to face with these people and explain to them why we are more deserving of peace and freedom than they are, by right of where you were born.
    Spot on!

    When I was in the States and had my phone interview with the man at the Australian Embassy I was told that because I wasn't from a 'high risk' country my application would fly through and he approved me after about a 10 minute interview (over the phone).

    Before anyone harps on that I went through the 'right avenues' to obtain my visa, lets think about how lucky I was to have very easy access to those avenues, the ability to access them and that I was lucky enough to be an American that fell in love with an Aussie and not a Sri Lankan. Because as I was told, if I was from a 'high risk' country I would have been investigated extensively to guarantee I was in fact in a real relationship.

    Lucky me, being born in a country considered worthy.

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    Wouldn't it be wonderful if all the citizens of this earth had a safe place to live...
    Mankind has done a wonderful job of stuffing up the earth...

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    Let's also have a think about what my de-facto visa (and I'm assuming many Australian visas) require.

    A couple things I was required to do and include reports of were:

    --A full medical checkup (blood tests, x-rays, breast examine...) by a pre-approved doctor.

    --A police check from my local town and state of residence.

    --A federal background check from the FBI.

    I'd bet that most genuine asylum seekers do not have the resources, time, or ability to access what is needed for these requirements or similar to try to apply for a visa. I would assume proving you qualify for asylum and accessing the proper avenues from many of these countries is pretty friggin' difficult.
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